After hearing stories like the one below, why would anyone want to meet someone who is soliciting for a child over the internet? I am simply warning pregnant women to be careful. Why would you take offense to that. I think it is dangerous to meet with people who solicit for a child in an unmonitored chat room. I recommend working with licensed adoption agencies.
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NewsMax.com
Stolen Ohio Baby Well; DNA Results Pending
NewsMax.com Wires
Thursday, Oct. 5, 2000
RAVENNA, Ohio (UPI) – Doctors said 8-pound, 6-ounce Oscar Gavin Andrews was doing well Wednesday, just days after he was cut from his mother's womb and stolen by a woman who claimed he was hers.
The grisly crime horrified the quiet northeast Ohio town of Ravenna, 30 miles southeast of Cleveland.
The body of 23-year-old Theresa Andrews was found in a garage Monday. Portage County Coroner Roger Marcial confirmed she was killed by the same .22-caliber pistol that Michelle Bica used to kill herself as police arrived at her home Monday night.
An autopsy concluded Andrews, who was nine months pregnant, was dead when Bica, 39, sliced open her abdomen and removed the child in a crude Caesarian section. The healthy child was found asleep in a crib.
Detectives found a thin trail of blood that indicates Andrews' body was dragged from the laundry room of Bica's home to a shallow grave in the garage's dirt floor. She had disappeared Sept. 27 from her home four blocks away.
Bica apparently met Andrews for the first time last Wednesday when Andrews asked to test-drive a Jeep the Bicas wanted to sell.
Bica, who was 5-foot-3 and weighed 180 pounds, had pretended to be pregnant. She and her husband, Thomas, began passing the boy off as their own to neighbors last week.
Thomas Bica, 41, a corrections officer at the Portage County Justice Center in Shalersville, was questioned for 10 hours Monday and released after passing a lie detector test. He was placed on administrative leave at the jail while the investigation continues.
DNA tests are expected to confirm Jon and Theresa Andrews are the boy's parents. Genetic samples taken from the baby and Jon Andrews were sent to the Bureau of Criminal Identification for DNA matching. Jon named the boy Oscar.
Shocking Case Is Not Unique
As chilling as the crime is, at least four similar baby theft slayings are on record since 1987.
"The sad truth is that we've seen this happen before," Cathy Nahirny, a case supervisor at the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, told the Cleveland Plain Dealer. "And though it's shocking, the women who do this are desperate. They're not insane."
In 1995, a suburban Chicago woman killed a pregnant woman and two of her children and cut an unborn child from the victim's womb. The boy survived. The killer was convicted and sentenced to death.
In 1987, a pregnant Albuquerque, N.M., woman was kidnapped and killed by a 19-year-old woman who had faked a pregnancy. And in 1996, a 29-year-old woman kidnapped a pregnant 17-year-old woman in Tuscaloosa, Ala., killed her and stole her baby.
A 40-year-old woman performed a crude Caesarean section on a pregnant Fresno, Calif., woman in 1988, but the baby did not survive. The woman was caught when she took the dead baby to a hospital.
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| Name: Carolyn | Date: Oct 31st, 2006 7:02 PM |
HOW DARE YOU LUCKEY, EVEN IMPLY THAT WE ARE THE SAME TYPE OF PEOPLE IN THIS ARTICLE ?
YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF.
WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND. ↑ |
| Name: tamara anderson | Date: Oct 31st, 2006 7:06 PM |
Luckey
We asked you to go aware yesterday. ↑ |
| Name: luckey_in_life | Date: Oct 31st, 2006 7:11 PM |
My point:
If any of the potential adoptive parents on this forum truly cared for the well being of the potential birthmothers that visit this site, they would also be warning them of the risks they take when not working with a licensed adoption agency. It is not safe to meet with someone that you meet on unmonitored chat rooms, especially when a child is involved. The fact that you do not ackowledge the dangers involved here shows that you are acting out of desparation and selfishness. ↑ |
| Name: luckey_in_life | Date: Oct 31st, 2006 7:19 PM |
Why would any of you object to the following advice after reading that story?
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Unmonitored Chat Rooms are NOT places for adoptive parents to solicit birthparents. It is not appropriate for hopeful parents to post “I can help” messages, or internet addresses for birthmothers to visit, or to send this type of e-mail to birthmothers.
Conversely, it is not appropriate for birthparents to use the Chat Room to solicit adoptive parents. There is no way of knowing which parents on the message board are qualified to adopt.
I recommend that you search for licensed adoption agencies in your state. Any of these agencies can assist you with options planning. ↑ |
| Name: codyjody | Date: Oct 31st, 2006 7:24 PM |
| Sorry Luckey, I don't see how this post you made applies to adoption?....HHMMMMM. This is sick that you would even connect this forum to these "findings" ↑ |
| Name: luckey_in_life | Date: Oct 31st, 2006 7:27 PM |
It doesn't apply to adoption. It applies to what can happen if a potential birth mother agrees to meet with someone that they talk to in unmonitored chat rooms. That is why I have been giving the following advice that so many people on this forum do not want pregnant women to hear.
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Unmonitored Chat Rooms are NOT places for adoptive parents to solicit birthparents. It is not appropriate for hopeful parents to post “I can help” messages, or internet addresses for birthmothers to visit, or to send this type of e-mail to birthmothers.
Conversely, it is not appropriate for birthparents to use the Chat Room to solicit adoptive parents. There is no way of knowing which parents on the message board are qualified to adopt.
I recommend that you search for licensed adoption agencies in your state. Any of these agencies can assist you with options planning. ↑ |
| Name: codyjody | Date: Oct 31st, 2006 7:27 PM |
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Unmonitored Chat Rooms are NOT places for adoptive parents to solicit birthparents. It is not appropriate for hopeful parents to post “I can help” messages, or internet addresses for birthmothers to visit, or to send this type of e-mail to birthmothers.
Why is it not approriate? Who are you to tell anyone that it is?
If you are NOT an adoptive parent or associated personaly with adoption, You have no right to tell us what we can and CAN NOT do! ↑ |
| Name: luckey_in_life | Date: Oct 31st, 2006 7:30 PM |
| Why is it not appropriate? Because desparate people do desparate things. ↑ |
| Name: codyjody | Date: Oct 31st, 2006 7:32 PM |
So, are you going to go to every house to post warning signs to preganant women not open their doors, or leave their house...in fear of running into unwanted people? My gosh lady, you have big problems!
Maybe you should just sit outside OBGYN offices, to give out your advice! ↑ |
| Name: codyjody | Date: Oct 31st, 2006 7:33 PM |
| Desperate people do desperate things every where!...... ↑ |
| Name: luckey_in_life | Date: Oct 31st, 2006 7:35 PM |
Maybe I should just sit here while people post things like the one below:
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Name: lynn Title: ready to adopt!!!!!!
in case noone has read about me we can provide a great home for a baby girl or boy or even both as well as twins. please read please consider!!!!!!!!!! also my e-mail is [email protected] in alabama which is where i live we only had to pay a fee to the lawyer of 500.00 and we had to get the birth mother to sighn her rights away and wait till the child was to be born which she had 14 days after the birth to change her mind. which she did before the baby was born. we do not have to get a home study unless going through a agencey. so please help us fill our hearts with the joy of helping a child who needs a home.please respond !!! ↑ |
| Name: codyjody | Date: Oct 31st, 2006 7:36 PM |
| You need to understand, not every person wanting to adopt is desperate! Or, desperate enough to do the things you are implying we would do! Yes, bad things do happen......But what kind of world would we live in if we put a warning on everything like you have posted? ↑ |
| Name: luckey_in_life | Date: Oct 31st, 2006 7:46 PM |
I ask you, what kind of world do we live in when people make posts like this:
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"Name: lynn Title: ready to adopt!!!!!!
in case noone has read about me we can provide a great home for a baby girl or boy or even both as well as twins. please read please consider!!!!!!!!!! also my e-mail is [email protected] in alabama which is where i live we only had to pay a fee to the lawyer of 500.00 and we had to get the birth mother to sighn her rights away and wait till the child was to be born which she had 14 days after the birth to change her mind. which she did before the baby was born. we do not have to get a home study unless going through a agencey. so please help us fill our hearts with the joy of helping a child who needs a home.please respond !!! " ↑ |
| Name: luckey_in_life | Date: Oct 31st, 2006 7:48 PM |
| Name: luckey_in_life | Date: Oct 31st, 2006 7:50 PM |
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| Name: Carolyn | Date: Oct 31st, 2006 7:50 PM |
| CLICK AND IGNORE............. ↑ |
| Name: luckey_in_life | Date: Oct 31st, 2006 7:52 PM |
| Ignore the truth--It doesn't change things. ↑ |
| Name: luckey_in_life | Date: Oct 31st, 2006 8:00 PM |
| Name: luckey_in_life | Date: Oct 31st, 2006 8:02 PM |
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| Name: luckey_in_life | Date: Oct 31st, 2006 8:03 PM |
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| Name: luckey_in_life | Date: Oct 31st, 2006 8:04 PM |
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| Name: Carolyn | Date: Oct 31st, 2006 8:06 PM |
| CLICK AND IGNORE.............. ↑ |
| Name: luckey_in_life | Date: Oct 31st, 2006 8:06 PM |
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