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| Name: Carolyn | Date: Sep 18th, 2006 3:16 AM |
| Lisa, "Carolyn Buster" first of all verbally assaulted me Friday morning. Then "Doodle" continued today. I believe for one all these people are on in the same. And I truly do have FBI agents I will call on these verbal attacks, profanity, threats, and prejudice witnessed today. Lisa, feel free to write me privately and I will email you the posts from Carolyn Buster before it was pulled down Friday. (I copied and pasted it to share with the authorities.) I for one felt compelled to defend myself Lisa. Thank you for your concern. Carolyn ↑ |
| Name: califadoptee | Date: Sep 18th, 2006 3:17 AM |
| Wow - this board when to the gutter really fast! I agree tha we need to click the "poor taste" button on these offensive posts ASAP! ↑ |
| Name: momof1 | Date: Sep 18th, 2006 3:28 AM |
| Carolyn...can you pass on a phone number? Because I will back you up 100%. Some of the post were directly aimed at me, and we all know the contents. ↑ |
| Name: Carolyn | Date: Sep 18th, 2006 3:32 AM |
| Momof1, Please email me privately and I will share the contact information. Carolyn ↑ |
| Name: Carolyn | Date: Sep 18th, 2006 3:35 AM |
| Anyone who is interested in how I was scammed where I had to bring the FBI into it to bring the scammer to justice, here is the link. You can read the story, and also press PLAY and see the video. http://cbs4denver.com/loca l/local_story_145082903.html Than k you. Carolyn ↑ |
| Name: momof1 | Date: Sep 18th, 2006 3:44 AM |
| carolyn, I don't have your email address....also did you just read the newest post, the person said that she is janet?? ↑ |
| Name: codyjody | Date: Sep 18th, 2006 3:48 AM |
| Lisa I'm not going to try and start a fight here...BUT.....I AM NOT DANGLING MY SON IN FRONT OF ANYONE! This comment you have made has me very UPSET!!!! You said it......."bad things happen to everyone, no matter who we are, what we have or how well we're prepared. I have been a mother for over 10 years and I do a DAMN GOOD JOB AT PROTECTING MY CHILDREN! Enough said! ↑ |
| Name: Carolyn | Date: Sep 18th, 2006 3:50 AM |
| I for one would never call anyone's home in prank calls/ threats or anything. Not Janet, not anybody for any reason. If someone has received these calls they are not by me. Again I believe what goes around comes around. ↑ |
| Name: Carolyn | Date: Sep 18th, 2006 3:51 AM |
| I also agree Jody, I also have not dangled my son in front of anyone. Jody and I are good mothers, and I also find your post offensive, even if well intentioned. Carolyn ↑ |
| Name: codyjody | Date: Sep 18th, 2006 3:52 AM |
| How would any of us here have her number??? ↑ |
| Name: Flowergirl | Date: Sep 18th, 2006 3:56 AM |
| Dear Carolyn, I totally understand the need you felt to defend yourself and your reputation. Trust me, I have been there before and it just seems we *have* to remind people that we aren't really like that! It's the human urge and the human right, if you feel you must. I only posted this as a concern for the safety of your precious babies... I know how long you've waited for your little guy, Carolyn (and Jody) and if something were to happen, I would kick myself for not voicing my concern. Caroly, thank-you for your intense interest in this 'person' and I will do anything I can to help you put a stop to them, except for taunting and teasing. I have seen taunting in action and results can be catastrophic. The scene I always replay in my mind (one I've personally witnessed) is the little children together in a group and the one rejected 'bully' child standing on the sidelines yelling insults. The group of 'nice' children don't yell insults back, their parents have taught them better than that. But they do stay within ear range of the 'outsider', talking in singsongy voices among themselves... everything from 'we're having soo much fun', 'we have brand new dollies and *she* has that old icky one' and many, many others. Anger boils and boils... even worse than if actual insults would have been flying furiously. Finally the outcast retreats... the others think she has tasted defeat and continue on with their 'happy lives'. In truth, the outcast has retreated in a boiling fit of anger, determined to do whatever she can to hurt any or all of them. With much plotting and planning, her anger continuing to boil, she maps out her plan of attack. And in the end, she does complete her plan... hurting someone. Only then, is the proper attention given to the problem, but for that one person, it is too late. My Mother always taught me while growing up, if we have an impeccable character, we will not need to defend it. It will speak for itself and the more we open our mouth in our own defense of character, the faster our good character falls. I have seen this happen also and as with many other things, my Mother was right. With all other points I agree, Carolyn, 110%!!! We *need* to do our part to bring these scammers to justice. I *will* email you privately, as I was busy working the morning all the terrible things were being said. I appreciate your willingness to share that information with me. Then I can also ask you another question I have been wishing to for so long and haven't. Those of us that mattered, never believed one word that was said about you, Carolyn. We have been around long enough to see who *you* really were and we all were here to stand up for the *real* you. Just remember, that's what 'true' friends are for and that's what true friends do. Hugs, Lisa ↑ |
| Name: Carolyn | Date: Sep 18th, 2006 4:10 AM |
| Lisa, If you saw "Carolyn Buster" and "Doodle" in action, I don't think you would be keeping the opinion you presently have. Especially "Carolyn Buster." I try to help people Lisa, all the time. I don't need people slamming for any reason because I don't deserve it. I was brought up in a Christian conservative household and I still hold those beliefs and practices today. However, constantly being cursed at and threatened, not only just me , but also my friends, I can't stand for. Thank you for your opinion. If you were taking the brunt of these remarks and threats and profanity, I am quite certain you would have a very different opinion. Carolyn ↑ |
| Name: momof1 | Date: Sep 18th, 2006 4:12 AM |
| i agree ↑ |
| Name: Flowergirl | Date: Sep 18th, 2006 4:16 AM |
| Dear Carolyn and Jody, Never did I wish to start anything with either of you!!! I only wished to voice a concern that included both of you. If I implied that someone had been calling 'Janet', then I am very sorry, as that is not what I meant at all! You totally missed the point of my post and for that I am sorry, also. Let me please try to explain myself better... If this (or all) person(s) is indeed, Janet, we all know she is desperately wishing for a baby. At least it would appear that way, having tried for a homestudy four times and always frequenting the adoption boards. When this person (Janet) began throwing out ugly insults, nasty names, etc., noone actually threw insults back, but a lot of you kept posting (taunting, plain and simple)... Over and over and over again, talking about being good, stay at home Mommies, having babies to love and having lots of friends who care about you, all of which are true, but also to a person in her state of mental illness and in her state of obvious anger, is just fuel for a fire, is it not? People in this kind of a mental state are dangerous... many times others, push these kinds of people over the edge, thinking they will do damage to themselves and finally be brought to a stop. What I was trying to remind everyone of, is that many times this kind of 'mental taunting' does just that - it pushes them over the edge, but the scary part is, is that many times, someone who was doing the pushing gets hurt also. Sometimes very badly. I was just worried about all the ones of us with precious families, especially newborn or small babies. Couldn't you understand that?? The baby who was just kidnapped in Missouri... the authorities stated that the kidnapper is very likely a woman who just lost a baby or cannot have children and is desperate for a baby. Friends of my parents just had that same thing happen to them, only about a year ago. The lady was unable to have babies and was unable to adopt, etc. Desperate, yes... mentally ill, maybe... but we all know that Janet is *both* of those things! Please know I was not trying to anger you in any way!!! Only trying to voice my opinion, which is just as good as the next person's, right? I never implied that you were bad mothers or that you were making prank calls to Janet. But by all your posts, trying to 'wear her down', it just seemed way too dangerous to me. My best to each of you and again, I am sincerely sorry if I offended either of you and truly sorry for upsetting you, Jody. ↑ |
| Name: Carolyn | Date: Sep 18th, 2006 4:23 AM |
| Lisa, Jody and I do not live on the edge in any shape, way or form. Evil was present this weekend on this board, and not by Jody, I or any other of the regular PAP parents on here. Aren't you telling the planet your thoughts here, don't you think you are giving the evil doer nasty ideas ? Lisa, I mean absolutely no disrespect whatsoever. But whoever said all those nasty things today to all of us, needs to be banned. Carolyn ↑ |
| Name: I am Janet | Date: Sep 18th, 2006 4:25 AM |
| Ok the law just left here if any one wants the police report please ask and I can give you the Information off of it and some one asked how did they have my number JULIE person posted in a early post home and cell so please stop calling me, I am not any of these people that you say I am..... ↑ |
| Name: I am Janet | Date: Sep 18th, 2006 4:28 AM |
| Speak of children, I have kids and its 11.27 and the calls want stop and Carolyn I do not know you, before I left this board, I did not know you and I do not know who is calling my home but I am not writeing anything about any one, If the calls would have never came in, I wouldn't even know about this stuff thats on here again about me. ↑ |
| Name: Carolyn | Date: Sep 18th, 2006 4:31 AM |
| Janet, Check your caller id. I can guarantee you will not find my number on there. I also know you will not find Jody's on there, and I seriously doubt you will find any of the good people on here numbers either. You mentioned NY; what other states did you receive these calls from ? Carolyn ↑ |
| Name: Scam Buster | Date: Sep 18th, 2006 4:32 AM |
| Hey Janet, while you're at it, have the cops call Matt Bullwinkle with the FBI 662-842-9411 ↑ |
| Name: I am Janet | Date: Sep 18th, 2006 4:41 AM |
| Carolyn, I do not know you and I am not accuseing you of calling me there have been several states one from Texas, Alabama, Newyork, Ca, and NH. I am not sure your time zone but my kids are trying to sleep and this phone is ringing off the walls and this scam buster is saying call Matt Bullwinkle I do know him and have met him but the report made this evening states I am recieving harrassing calls maybe from peeople on Babycrowd.com and I am not sure whats next but who ever is calling me this is not any need of it. ↑ |
| Name: Carolyn | Date: Sep 18th, 2006 4:44 AM |
| Janet, I am on MST in the state of Colorado. It is 10:43pm here, and again I have not called you. ↑ |
| Name: Flowergirl | Date: Sep 18th, 2006 4:44 AM |
| You may ask to have my post removed, since it is so upsetting to all of you... And since you all know what my opinion is and how it would change, please let me know. My opinion, simply put, was this. Do your part in gathering, piecing together, information about Janet, or Doodle, or Carolyn Buster, or whoever... report anything and everything you know about her to the FBI, help watch for her new names to appear and help warn others, but don't flirt with danger, especially when it comes to someone we know is so mentally ill. Mentally ill people are usually dangerous!! You have too much to lose, if she goes off the deep end. Yes, then she would lose, but so might one of you. I didn't want to see that happen, but since my concern has made me your next 'evil' poster, I am sorry I wasted the time doing what *I* thought was right. Voicing my concern and trying to kindly point out something I thought wasn't a good idea. Again, please feel free to delete my post. It has caused offense and I never meant it to. One last thing... Carolyn, I watched the whole thing when it first came out about your experience with the adoption scam. My heart went out to you and I felt so sad for you and your husband. On at least two occasions, I emailed you and offered you my thoughts and prayers, and on at least two occasions I emailed you when I heard of adoption situations that I thought you might be interested in. Never once did I get a reply from you... not a thank-you for your thoughts, not even an, I'm sorry, but we would like to find our own situation, etc. Each time, I made sure to explain who I was and where I had read your story or one of your posts... I post frequently, on several boards, as do you and I know you would have recognized me if you had wished to. I have done this with several other hopeful adoptive moms and have made several wonderful friends online, who now forward adoption situations to me also when they think it's one I might be interested in. We keep in touch and support each other through the down times and rejoice with each other in the up times! Honestly, I was hurt when you never responded to me and when I've posted replies to any of your posts, you virtually ignore me. I've never said anything, or asked you about it... When I read through everything this evening, I debated even voicing my concern for you and your family's safety, because you were so seemingly unfriendly to me otherwise, but I thought about your story again, of how baddly you had hurt when you were scammed, of how long you had waited for your little guy and decided I had to tell you how I felt. I was only concerned for your safety. I guess you truly don't want to be friends, as friends take each other's opinions to heart, for what they were meant to be and nothing more. Jody, I also did the same to you on at least two occasions, after you were unable to adopt the baby that you had been planning to, hoping to make a new friend, but you also, never bothered to respond. And to everyone, I have had first hand experience with Janet. She had me pulled in deeply, when I was a first timer on this forum... With the help of some very kind, concerned people, I was able to see the flaws in her stories and end the 'relationship'. She has since contacted me several times, but each time, I recognize her pattern and drop coorespondance. I have been in contact with Kelly at the Cruelest Con several times and have passed on several bits of info about Janet, hoping she soon will be getting the help she deserves. So, yes, I know all about who you are dealing with... I am not just a lurking party. I will do anything I can to help *safely* bring her to justice... Lisa ↑ |
| Name: Scam Buster | Date: Sep 18th, 2006 4:47 AM |
| Good job Flowergirl (Lisa)! ↑ |
| Name: I am Janet | Date: Sep 18th, 2006 4:52 AM |
| Lisa, If some one has contacted you and said they were me then you are wrong, my family has went through two deaths and I do not think that I would have called the law here if I wanted to see some one hurt, I never hurt you some one told you and you belived them so once again i do not care if you belive me and all these names that you are saying I am this is so stupid, I am not any of these names and nor have you recived any thing from me. Carolyn who ever this DOODLE is, sure is not me. Scam buster if you want to protect these woman as you state, why get on here and lie to them, maybe you are calling me, I wonder. I am not mental Ill any why you state that I do not know but I guess if the true people would post who they really are then all this would be ok. ↑ |
| Name: Carolyn | Date: Sep 18th, 2006 4:52 AM |
| Lisa, I am not being unfriendly, and I can guarantee I never received an email from you, let alone more than one. If they were sent into my bulk mail, then it would have been deleted, because I only delete bulk mail and never check it. I would have certainly thanked you I had ever received your emails. I write people on this board all the time when I see situations come up that I believe they would be interested in. Please understand that it is extremely upsetting to see from another PAP the bad thought that could be put into someone elses mind. I am being protective of my son here Lisa, please understand that is where my emotions are now coming from. I wish you the best always and again mean no disrespect, but again to reiterate, I also have never received any mail from you. Thank you. God bless. Carolyn ↑ |
| Name: I am Janet | Date: Sep 18th, 2006 4:54 AM |
| Carolyn I never said you did, please call the police dept. and vertify that I just made this report, please...Why did you say I was doodle and alot more names, why? ↑ |
| Name: codyjody | Date: Sep 18th, 2006 4:54 AM |
| Lisa, I'm sorry if I ignored emails you have sent. After the losses we have had, I had MANY emails from lots of wonderful people, I know now, you were one of them. Most of the time I was in such a "mess" I did not reply to ANYONE! There was times I went weeks and months withot returning phone calls to my family members! This is how I delt with "things" Yes it was RUDE on my part, but it was how I delt with it! Again, I'm sorry! Just as you "hurt" my feelings tonight without wanting to, I hurt yours as well........ ↑ |
| Name: Carolyn | Date: Sep 18th, 2006 4:55 AM |
| Janet, I don't care to call the police, I didn't call your house, and if you are not Doodle then I am thankful. Doodle and Carolyn Buster were mean and cruel hearted and that has nothing to do with me. ↑ |
| Name: Flowergirl | Date: Sep 18th, 2006 5:03 AM |
| Dear Jody, I totally understand and I will never mention it again... Please accept my apologies for hurting you tonight... and know that I truly did *not* mean to in any way! I only was voicing a concern for your family and their safety... as a friend. I never meant for you to feel 'attacked' or anything like it. I respect you and your family and wish nothing but good for all of you. And I am so happy to hear the precious little Collin is doing better. Warm regards, (((hugs))) Lisa ↑ |
| Name: Carolyn | Date: Sep 18th, 2006 5:05 AM |
| Lisa, I also would like to be your friend. I want to be friends with anyone that has ethics and morals. Also, yesterday I uncovered with them help of two of my other friends both on this site, that once again I have been scammed by someone else not even pregnant. Thank you for listening. Please feel free to email me. Blessings, Carolyn ↑ |
| Name: I am Janet | Date: Sep 18th, 2006 5:06 AM |
| Carolyn I am not and until these calls started, I did not come here and I had no reason to. I am sorry whatever you are saying happen to you, I know you read these bad things about you, thats ok to but as you posted you are worried for your son, I am a mom also and I want my kids safe. These posting on here with all this profanty I would never talk like that but I am the one getting all the blame, Janet did every thing, That is not right. ↑ |
