| Name: Anna | Date: Nov 28th, 2005 7:12 AM |
Im not going to fight with you, You need to learn to read because I clearly said so why are you pushing "this" on us I didnt say you were pushing religion my gosh girl.
You know nothing about homeschool you're the selfish one here because all you're thinking about are the kids who have it bad what about the kids who are doing well in homeschool you have to ruin it for everyone because some kids can't get social?? There are a lot of social homeschoolers and what about what.. and there you go running of on california colleges something you know nothing about.. Cal Poly is a huge college one of the best in california. Here's a word for you look up "arrogant" all you do is put people down... you need to really get a life honestly you have no respect for anyone you come on here to post your reasons then...and why do you seem to be avoiding the WHERE DID THIS INFO come from?? Yeah right you probobaly just made it all up. Im not the one who sounds like a 12 year old because I didnt start this I claimed that what you said does not apply to all kids who are homeschooled but then you tell me im stupid practically.. this stupid public school against homeschool thing is stupid public school defenders are like genetic polymorphisms who try to stop kids from emigrating from there stupid schools. Why dont you go somewhere where more idiots believe what you say so you won't be arguing with people ma'm? ↑ |
| Name: Kendra | Date: Nov 28th, 2005 4:53 PM |
| Gypsy why do you have to come on here and harrass everyone?? Cal Poly is an excelent California school one that you would never be able to get into in your life. Im guessing you don't live in California...but think you know everything about it.. thats common with you. The only one acting like a 12 year old here is you, Why are you even arguing with someone who likes homeschool? I'm homeschooled and I love it, I'm one of millions who love homeschooling and are social.. homeschools have changed but you wouldnt know that because you've never been homeschooled or homeschooled anyone. I suggest you check your facts before posting them, because you're speaking for everyone..and posting facts which aren'ttrue. Why are you wasting your time on homeschool.. There's nothing wrong with it... when there are so many other problems in the world? and what about what Judith said.. what about the kids who are ill?? It's like you don't even care because you ignore everyone here saying they're social and you're too chicken to post the source of this information probobaly because it doesnt exist... half the people who replied to this are asking you to post the source... it does sound really made up. ↑ |
| Name: Pat | Date: Nov 30th, 2005 2:29 AM |
| gypsy.. you are probobaly someone who works at a public school who doesnt give a rats ass about socialization for a child all you want is your frigging money. That's why you make up this dumb crap. ↑ |
| Name: g unit girl | Date: Nov 30th, 2005 3:40 AM |
| Name: dinan | Date: Dec 4th, 2005 10:50 AM |
| wher are all the chat rooms ↑ |
| Name: jess | Date: Dec 19th, 2005 9:53 AM |
| hello im pregnant and only 12 ↑ |
| Name: Tracy | Date: Jan 3rd, 2006 6:56 PM |
| Wow. After reading all these replies, I would like to make my own statements. To Gypsy, I think it is wonderful that you are trying to protect homeschooled children (that is usually a big part of our reasoning to homeschool-to protect them from the public school abuse)...I think what is causing everyones defensiveness is that they feel you seem to be ignoring the fact that more children need the voice in public schools. I am an active mom in my children's lives. I volunteered at public school...which was not easy because the schools seem to be intimidated by involved parents. In my volunteered service, I discovered many hurting children...and the public schools do not seem to be helping them. In fact, I found much verbal, physical, and social abuse there...by peers and teachers, themselves! I hope you keep searching for homeschool cases...they are a great dishonor to us that love our children deeply. But, please remember the public school children...you will not even have to search for cases...they will surface to you, because there are hurting children who are voicing and not being heard. Most homeschooling families, not all as you have mentioned, are very loving and devoted families teaching our youth in a healthy, safe environment. Helping them use their personal gifts to the best of their ability, that kind of education cannot be given in public schools. That is what we, as homeschooled children and homeschooling parents, are trying to communicate to you. The homeschooling community is, at large, growing because the fall of public schools...education seems to be lost in the importance of socializing and exposing our children to a falling society. Again, thank you Gypsy. Let's all appreciate that Gypsy wants to weed out the trash. And we all know the pile is overwhelming in the public schools...maybe we homeschooling parents should work on governing them and protecting the public school youth! Let's get in the schools, and talk to our local and state government officials...not to Gypsy. Let's all make make a difference, not just Gypsy. We need to stand proud, and open-minded...there are bad examples of homeschooling out there-it is okay to recognize that...let Gypsy take care of finding them. We need to work on protecting our rights to provide a safe and educational environment for our children...because the government isn't...they are failing our children. And Gypsy, what has government done for the public schools...what about those sexually abused children, what about those violently beaten children, what about those verbally attacked children...government hasn't prevented such abuses and neglects nor have they been exempt from needing therapy. That is what you're hearing in our replies. We are okay with you seeking to save children from such abuses...please do, but recognize most homeschool environments are trying to do just that...to protect our very own children from the abuse and violence. If you look at public school, which government has stepped in...well, it is not helping. Maybe the problem is that too many people believe that education and social developement ONLY occurs outside the home, with an exposure to immorality. Gypsy, your initial posting was a verbal attack on the homeschooling community, not a concern for abused children. Your initial posting was also very closed-minded...as were your subsequent postings. I hope we have helped you understand homeschooling. I would like to know...are you a wife and mother...conservative is obvious. I'll pray for you. And I pray that us homeschoolers remember to be a voice heard. Let people like Gypsy fuel your desire to love and protect your children even more...take a stand, go to government and protect our freedom to teach and love our children like no government could. We have a country and future generation to protect! ↑ |
| Name: jojowentbyby | Date: Jan 11th, 2006 8:04 PM |
| My childen do interact every day outside of the home with children their own age . and I homeschool. What makes you think we just bar our selves up in the house all day. game day, tuesday is girl scouts, wed is basket ball practice and throw in sleep over and birthday parties s and field trips and our social caendars are booked. I feel bad that you think school is the only place where kids can socialize. Actually if I remember correctly they don't like kids to talk to each other very much in school. that means in middle and high school you get only 20 minutes of lunch time where talking is acceptable. Only those with eating disrders have the time to chat. ↑ |
| Name: jojowentbyby | Date: Jan 11th, 2006 8:20 PM |
| I think if you read Gypsy's post you will see he/she/it is a very negative and unhappy person. Thanks for trying to decide what is best for my child but you are so wrong. I started homeschooling my child because she was missing so much due to medical issues which includes social opportunities and educational ones. I am glad to have found homescholing to be so much better than traditional school. Public school is full of abused and neglected children. I think you just want to push buttons for attention. I hope you learn that there are different strokes for different folks. Bad parenting sounds more the issue for all of the homeschoolers you know that are horrrid uncivilzed beings. I am amazed that none of this makes the news and you have no sources to cooberate your experiences. Wait! no I am not. ↑ |
| Name: MD in Social Service | Date: Jan 12th, 2006 1:16 AM |
| I must say in my 30 some odd years of working in both the mental health and child services I have never encountered homeschooled children who have any issues. I have been called out to their houses by people who insist there is abuse going on. Each and every time I see the children answering for themselves and not at all nervouse or unhappy. I worked in the mental health arena (with troubled youth and young adults) I have never ever run into a homeschooled individual. The truth is that there are no such studies that have ever been done by anyone to support your claims. I have seen lots of cases reported by the public schools where abuse has been found. I think you are making snap judgements. Isn't this suppose to be a support forum for homeschoolers? Why are you bothering people who clearly do not want your opinion? Unfortunately I have seen real abuse. I think you are trivialising something very serious. Being one who is qualified to identify abuse I get upset when people throw that term around. ↑ |
| Name: me | Date: Jan 13th, 2006 12:48 AM |
Myth: Homeschoolers are "stuck at home."
Fact: Per week, the average homeschooled child participates in at least five outside activities, such as sports teams, scouts, clubs, classes in the community, volunteer activities, etc. (44) Some (about 18 percent) participate in public school part-time. (45) Many homeschooling parents are also very involved in their communities--volunteering, attending or teaching classes, pursuing part-time or full-time careers, operating family businesses, and/or developing close friendships with other homeschooling families. (46,47) Homeschooling parents and children, free of externally imposed school schedules, are in charge of their time and are free to come and go as they please. Homeschooling enables family members to be very involved in outside activities without sacrificing their time together to do so.
Myth: Homeschooling deprives children of proper socialization.
Fact: Homeschooling affords children plenty of time and opportunity for social interaction and friendships, as well as time to learn appropriate social behaviors from their parents. The available research shows that homeschoolers tend to be very well adjusted. In 1986, even before the rapid growth in the homeschooling movement that we are seeing today, social researcher John Wesley Taylor V found that the self-concept of homeschooled children was significantly higher than that of their traditionally schooled peers when tested using the widely accepted Piers-Harris Children's Self-Concept Scale. Among his conclusions was the statement that "it would appear that few home-schooling children are socially deprived. Critics of the home school should not urge self-concept and socialization rationales. These factors apparently favor homeschoolers over the conventionally schooled population." (48)
More recently, psychotherapist Dr. Larry Shyers, in a study involving "blind" observation of the behavior of homeschooled and conventionally schooled children, found that homeschooled children exhibited significantly fewer "problem behaviors" than their conventionally schooled peers and had no significant difference in levels of self-esteem. (49) Thomas Smedley, studying communication skills, socialization, and daily living skills through the Vineland Adaptive Behavior Scales, concluded that homeschooled kids in his study were more mature and better socialized than the conventionally schooled. (50) And finally, in a survey of adults who had been homeschooled for at least seven years, Dr. Brian D. Ray found that 59 percent said they were "very happy" with life, while only 27.6 percent of the general population said they were "very happy" with life. (51)
Due to the excellent teacher-student ratio that homeschoolers enjoy and the lack of time-consuming administrative tasks such as attendance taking, busywork, etc., the academic aspects of homeschooling require only a fraction of the time necessary for the same tasks in a conventional school setting, leaving lots of extra time for social activities. Not limited by strict "school hours" and brief interactions in the hall, homeschooled children are often found instead spending long days at the park with friends, gathering with other kids for group activities, sleeping over at each other's houses on weeknights or weekends, and enjoying long conversations with their parents and siblings. (52,53) Homeschooled children also tend to have both homeschooled and conventionally schooled friends, and, like conventionally schooled children, they can and do play with neighborhood children and participate in scouts, 4H, church groups, community bands, orchestras, and sports groups, as well as outside classes such as dance and martial arts. (54-56) Many homeschooling parents consider their children's social learning to be as integral a part of their education as academic subjects, and they are careful to provide their children with both social skills and opportunities to use them.
Myth: Homeschoolers are insulated from the real world, democracy, and diversity.
Fact: Homeschooling families live and learn in the real world (see methods outlined above), typically interacting with real people of various ages and backgrounds on a real-world basis rather than just with peers in a classroom. They have time and proximity to observe firsthand the social and political activities of their parents, who, according to Patricia M. Lines's report in the ERIC Digest, "are more likely to vote, contribute money to political causes, contact elected officials about their views, attend public meetings or rallies, or join community and volunteer associations" than are the parents of conventionally schooled children. (57) "This holds true even when researchers compare only families with similar characteristics, including education, age, race, family structure, geographic region, and number of hours worked per week." (58) Moreover, homeschoolers are a diverse population (see above) and often have lots of freedom to travel to diverse locations for both educational and social purposes ↑ |
| Name: Deb | Date: Feb 10th, 2006 4:07 AM |
| My homeschooled three have so many social activities, we are running all the time. If they were in public school, they would be doing homework every night and would not have any life at all! ↑ |
| Name: Agnes | Date: Feb 11th, 2006 8:47 PM |
| I have to disagree there. We were just saying in our school the other day how students really don't get to interact socially except at lunch, and that's limited by who they are assigned to sit near. After-school activities like boy or girl scouts, dance classes, or basketball or other sports do more than enough to help a child socialize appropriately. ↑ |
| Name: Deb | Date: Feb 13th, 2006 12:22 AM |
| When my oldest was in public school he didn't have time for any outside activities, it was homework every night. And we didn't have time to do things as a family, or relax once in awhile. Now my three that are homeschooled have a more flexable schedule and we can be as busy or unbusy as we as a family choose. ↑ |
| Name: roxy | Date: Feb 14th, 2006 8:23 PM |
| Name: dip | Date: Feb 15th, 2006 2:33 AM |
| it's sad to see such uneducated public schooled teachers and parents ↑ |
| Name: anu | Date: Feb 24th, 2006 5:35 AM |
| Name: HappyDale | Date: Apr 19th, 2006 4:15 AM |
If homeschooled children are so happy and social, why aren't I? I'm homeschooled and I am certainly not a very social person. I disagree that homeschooled children are smarter than the rest. Where you go to school doesn't affect your intelligence. To tell the truth, I do not participate in any social activities but the occasional homsechool-kids get-together. If it's such a myth that homeschooled children are "stuck at home", I must be an unusual case because the only thing I'm allowed to do is homework. My parents are always around, telling me to work and pointing out my mistakes. Sometimes they yell really loud, especially if I don't work fast enough. I'd be glad to go to public school, if only to get away from my parents for a time. If I sound mean or unintelligent I'm sorry, but I'd just like to let you guys know that homeschooling isn't for everyone. Some people function best with the boring fixed schedule of public schooling; all my old friends do it and are very happy. Public schools are not the worst thing on the planet; it depends on the person involved. Homeschooling is terrible to some people and children shouldn't be forced into it. Of course, I am a bit biased.
I don't like interacting with others, and my mom always wants to do stuff as a family. I don't know whether the homeschooling did it, but I can't take the 'bonding' that is supposed to go on at family gatherings. And now they want my sister to do it.
I'm not saying that homeschooling is completely evil, just that some kids are harmed by it! ↑ |
| Name: Dakota | Date: Jul 19th, 2006 12:53 AM |
| Name: Layne | Date: Jul 19th, 2006 3:23 AM |
Abuse isnt home schooled or in public schools alone. abuse is...what it is....anywhere and everywhere.
Gypsy are you from Iowa. I am from Iowa and we have wonderful schools. We moved here for the schools. I have a son in special ed and he is doing so well here. I thank God for our tachers and all the hard work they do.
As for the home school- good for you, go for it. However it does concern me. When I hear you judging all schools as the same. We have options in Iowa If we arent pleased with our district, we have a choice to go to another district. Also I'm sure you have heard of the No child left behind act. Where schools are acountable for the progress in the classroom. If the school doesnt measure up. They will loose the grant money for the following year. In my city our school maks the mark every year and also is one of two schools in the state Of Iowa that gets a $25000.00 grant for outstanding acheivement.
what i am reading here come's off to mea that you home schoolers have a chip on your shoulder about public school teachers and i am sad to hear this. Because it is a hard, hard job and I for one have not had a bad enouph experience to want to take my children out of public school. Yes there is pere presure, yes there is drugs. Mine are still young and I pray they dont go down that path. But I dont believe any parent... home schooled or public school knows for certain that, that wont happen. ↑ |
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