Name: J Title: anti-homeschooling people with no basis for their opinions

I'm curious why there are so many people on this board who are against homeschool, but have never been homeschooled or homeschooled their children? What are you doing here? This forum is supposed to be for people who are uneducated to get educated and for people with EXPERIENCE on the subjet to share their input -- Not for random, bored, disillusioned mothers to blurt out their uneducated opinions for a lack of anything better to do. Unless there is some depth to your response, don't bother with the "homeschooling is bad" crap. The largest element in homeschooling is how the PARENTS handle the task of teaching. Each experience is unique because of this, unlike public school where 40 kids are all being taught the same way by the same person. If you have no experience on the subject and JUST MUST comment, then do a little research first. Visit your local puclic school. Read up about HOW homeschooling works and the different support groups available. Or better yet -- GO SPEND SOME TIME WITH YOUR KIDS and see just how public schooling has affected them.  ?

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Name: Emily • Date: 03/24/2006 00:00:47

I second that!  =

Name: Elizabeth • Date: 03/27/2006 09:53:58

Well,how do you know that ALL of us don't know it because I've sent lots of messages and my son is now 9 and he has been homeschooled since 3!!  =

Name: Court • Date: 03/28/2006 19:42:20

did you try to get your son in activities??? most likely not  =

Name: Kenya • Date: 03/31/2006 10:59:46

I think we need to stop all the criticism about homeschool students will turn out to be dumb. I intend on homeschooling my daughter which she will be in the first grade next year. The only reason why I think that there are many parents criticizing homes school students, is because they either don't have the time to do it, they don't care, or they don't have the patience and education to do it. I am an educated parent with grade level 13 to 14 and I'll be damed if I am going to say that my child will come out dumb because the public schools are a joke and the same way I teach my daughter at school they don't teach at school. I guess I am dumb because guess what I read full blown books in kindergarten. It didn't come from my parents or the teacher it was a gift from God. What do you say about that 123?  =

Name: catwoman • Date: 04/09/2006 23:52:08

to 123 " Sometimes I think that the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us."-Bill Watterson  =

Name: DKD • Date: 04/10/2006 20:42:23

My parents are both public school teachers. I ,and my parents, have nothing against homeschoolers. At my church there are some homeschool kids. In fact I'm friends with 4 of them. They are all nice and smart. One of them is shy, but once you get in a nice conversation with her she gets really talkitive. See ya!  =

Name: steve • Date: 04/18/2006 20:54:33

wow... "homeschoolers are dumb"... good argument. http://www.athomeinamerica.com/node.php?id=7

go here and read about the 4 main advantages of homeschooling.  =

Name: Andra • Date: 04/20/2006 14:35:35

To 123...have you actually BEEN in a public school in the last few years? I have been a 7th grade English teacher for several years. My husband's side of the family has several children who are currently homeschooled. When I am around any of them I never cease to be amazed at the difference. The homeschoolers are far better behaved and are academically years beyond the students who sit in my classroom everyday. The "dumb" students are the ones in my classroom who have made it to the 7th grade without actually learning to read beyond the 1st or 2nd grade level (thanks to government bureaucracy, political correctness, and failed parental support). Believe me, the so called SOCIALIZATION that happens in the public school, at least in middle school, is NOT what I want my own child to be a part of. When my daughter is ready for school, I will resign from teaching and homeschool.  =

Name: Dibs • Date: 04/20/2006 16:09:51

I had a friend who was homeschooled and so were her sister and brother. They had no social skills at all and were very naive with no experience of the world at all. She had no initiative and lived in a dreamworld. Her mother just let her continue like this.

She couldn't even do simple things like board a bus and pay her fare as she was too frightened of speaking to the bus driver. She was like this at age 16. It was ridiculous and I gave up in the end. She couldn't cook simple meals either or even switch the heating on in her home so we almost froze to death one night when I went to stay.  =

Name: Robert • Date: 04/21/2006 08:58:17

Wow Dibs... No offense, but I really can tell that you were public schooled.

Why didn't you get up and turn on the heat?

My homeschooled son knows to do that at 8.  =

Name: sally • Date: 04/24/2006 23:34:01

Ive read all you responses and havent noticed that you always use the term "public" school. Do you not have private schools near you? Did you find homeschooling was better than the private schools as well? Am curious to hear your thoughts.  =

Name: LA Mom • Date: 04/25/2006 14:00:24

I'm hs my 6 yr old daughter and plan to all the way thru. I am the product of private schools, K-12, and am a college graduate. I have 2 step sons who have attended both private & public schools and they are always amazed at what my daughter is able to do - so much earlier than they did - academically. I've also got several nieces and a nephew who were HS all the way thru and they are all productive, socialized and happy adults. A HS child that can't board a bus, turn on the heat or do anything by themselves is the same child who would have been bullied and picked on in public school. And we know what can happen with them - remember Columbine?? Fact is - there are outcasts in all of society and where they recieved their education has little to do with it.
To those that think you can't get your kids into activities - wrong! My daughter participates in 2 dance classes - one with other HS and another with kids in public/private schools. She is in a soccer clinic, could participate in 4-H, choir, archery, rock climbing, and a plethora of other activities. It's just a matter of the parents climbing out of their little holes and finding things for the kids to do. Heck, nothing around you already? Then start something!
To those that think HS kids turn out dumb - just look on-line and request a list of famous names that were HS. You'll get tired of reading! Still think they are dumb? Then why are IVY league colleges seeking out ways to make it easier for HS to provide academic records? It's because HS perform better, graduate at higher percentages and ultimately prove themselves to be highly worthwhile students. Why are MIT graduates choosing to HS their own kids? Because they know what is available out there in the public school environment and don't want to spend the equivolant of college tuition to get a slightly better education for their child than what they can easily provide for them, at home - one on one.

The bottom line is that HS is our CHOICE. Just as non-HS parents make the choice to get in line and conform to what everyone else TELLS them they should do.

Now, get off the computer and go talk to your child - find out what they ACTUALLY learned today!  =

Name: john • Date: 04/27/2006 16:26:02

I am not opposed to homeschooling,i am opposed to parents that are homeschooling their children, but are not properly educating them . i know for a fact that the children are not getting educated. I never hear about parents that are not doing their job of teaching properly. I only hear about how wonderful homeschooling is ....  =

Name: Tracy • Date: 04/28/2006 00:27:22

Well, the boys have both tested into accelerated math programs(at a grade level or 2 above), the 6th grader is testing at a 7th-9th grade level on most of his ITBS and on the NWEA High Average to High in almost all areas beating out both the District and Norm RIT Scores...their scores continue to grow...so, teaching must be happening enough for substancial growth to be recorded...any other questions, John?  =

Name: Caroline • Date: 06/28/2006 17:30:49

There's a difference between homeschooling and isolating your kids. Some people lock their kids inside all day and make them memorize texts from whatever religion they follow, but those people are few and far between. They just make for good news stories.

I mean, humanity did so badly for thousands of years before we had agents of the state to lock away and indoctrate our children with whatever they want everyone to believe. In America, compulsory schooling has only existed for 154 years. There was violent opposition to it until the early 20th century.

If you live in the world, you'll meet white people and black people and Asian people and left-handed people and people who wear sandals and socks and Red Sox fans and Yankee fans and smart people and idiots. Homeschoolers live in the world MORE than their schooled counterparts, because the school kids wake up at 6.00 AM. They're at school at 7:00. They sit inside all day being told what to do until 3. Then maybe they have an afterschool thing. Then they go home and do six hours of homework, so figure everything gets done at around ten. Which leaves eight hours to sleep. Six hours of homework is the typical load for all the school kids I know.

Whereas in homeschooling, -I'm unschooled but I know plenty of homeschooled kids- let's say your parents insist you do a curriculum. So you do your work in the morning, which takes you maybe two hours, and then you go and ride your bike our hang out with your friends, whatever you do, but you go out and you have a life that you direct.

School is the new movement, not homeschooling. People are stupider since the rise of compulsory schooling. My evidence: Last of the Mohicans was wildly popular in 1826. 24 years before compulsory schooling. But today, 140 years later, very few people want to tackle it. The people who were reading Last of the Mohicans were the average people on the street, not an elite group of intellectuals. Everything's been getting more and more dumbed down the further compulsory schooling gets.

Learning isn't hard, but school is. I found a love for physics, and after I got most of the concepts down and wanted to move on to the equations, I realized I needed to know algebra. So I went online and found some free math lessons, went through pre-algebra to Algebra 2 in 12 weeks, and have continued from there. Three months. Not years of following pointless orders in a stifling building.

This is way too long now, so I'll stop.  =

Name: Caroline • Date: 06/28/2006 17:34:20

Oh, I forgot to say...

Some homeschoolers are sheltered and screwed up. So are some public schoolers.

Some homeschoolers are shy, some are outgoing, some are nice, some are obnoxious, some are normal, some are freaks.

Trying to categorize homeschooled kids by the mere fact that they are homeschooled is like saying, "All German men like to drink beer, eat sausages and sit around in Alpine hats wearing lederhosen." Or maybe saying, "All people who live in Wisconsin are like this."

It's a blanket statement, and it's stupid.  =

Name: Layne • Date: 07/02/2006 00:41:21

Andra- why dont you quite now your additude with school cant be good for the kids you do teach now. i also dont like the term dumb or idiots im hearing here. my son is in special ed. he is doing very well. improving by leaps and bonds. we have wonderful techers at our public school that work night and day to help our children. If you choose to home teach good for you. I look up to you. many parents are involved with there childrens school i volenteer 2-3 days a week and would more if need be. I do know a family that they home teach and there kids really resent it does this mean all do im sure not but that also goes for public school some are good some not so good. No one knows how there kids will turn out. you can be the most involved mom and dad ever and have kids end up in trouble. then I know some kids the odds where against them and they over came. so get off it and stop tooting your own horn. id really like to see a bit more compassion. I think I'll return to the stay at home moms forum they actually put in there names and support each other. unlike you wonderful home schoolers  =

Name: Lillian • Date: 07/02/2006 00:59:41

I totally agree. I am 16 and was homeschooled since I was 9. I don't like to be a show-off but I am not dumb to those who think we are. In fact I was struggling in school and did better out. I have had a very high position as a Graphic Desiginer and and am now traveling around the world with my career earning more than I could have ever thought  =

Name: Elizabeth • Date: 07/10/2006 13:47:53

Hi. I just wanted to offer a little support to homeschooling against the attacks (By the way, I'm pregnant with my first child and my husband and I are considering homeschooling, which is why I'm here :) ). Right now I'm in grad school, but I taught public high school for three years before I went back to get my MA. I clearly remember the homeschooled kids who had just come back to public schooling for 10th grade. They were some of the most conscientious, polite, friendly, studious kids I'd ever taught. They weren't shy or sheltered. They were good students and had lots of friends, and were in fact quite capable of doing common-sense things and obviously had no trouble finding other kids to hang out with. I also taught some great kids who'd always been in public school, too, but one thing I can say as a teacher is that I never saw the kinds of behavior problems I saw in public-schooled kids as I saw in homeschooled kids. Make of it what you will.  =

Name: Elizabeth • Date: 07/10/2006 13:49:05

To clarify: The homeschool kids simply never got in "trouble." Ever.  =

Name: Elizabeth • Date: 07/10/2006 13:51:39

I also want to say, just for the record, that I'm not anti-public school. I would just feel more comfortable home-schooling if my husband and I can make that happen. All I want to say is that I don't believe homeschooling guarantees that kids will be "naive" or "dumb." That's ridiculous.  =

Name: Elizabeth • Date: 07/10/2006 13:56:16

Okay, one more thing and I'll stop. I'm still wondering about the original post and why people READ the post and still got on here just to attack home-schoolers...  =

Name: Layne • Date: 07/12/2006 13:50:37

I dont attack home schoolers It seems to me alot of them have a chip about schools. I know as well as the next person that some schools arent the best. we moved to a new state to find a better education for our child. It really upsets me to hear a teacher say how awful the kids are and has a obviouse problem with teaching and is going to stay home with her own after exposing her attitude with everyone elses kids. This could be some of the problem with our schools. It seems to me it doesnt start with the kids necessarily. If our schools dont hace compassionate,caring teachers then what do you expect from the kids. I wish I would have home schooled but i feel it is to late. My kids are getting older. There education is #1 in our house. I just keep on top of things at school and we work out our problems(If any) with the teacher and principal. BUT I WOULD NEVER CALL A CHILD A IDIOT OR DUMB AND IF YOU DO GET OUT BECAUSE YOU ARE THE ONE WITH THE PROBLEM.  =

Name: sandy • Date: 07/13/2006 13:52:30

to dibs and the people who talk about homeschooled children being shy and having no life experience...i know children like that too, and some are homeschooled, some are not. my daughter is 6, homeschooled, and is the most social, totally outgoing little girl you will ever meet. it is just the way she is. my son is also that way. i think it has a lot to do with the mother and father and the way they act. i mean, think of the kids you remember from school who had no friends, there are shy people everywhere! everyone seems so worried about my children's social lives, but why? we go to church and they have friends there, my daughter is in ballet and tap, my son will soon be in sports...people act as if they will have no opportunities to socaialize. how come no one was worried about them before they turned five and could go to school? how did they make it to age five without "socialization" ?? is five some magic number? sheesh!!! i wish people would educate themselves before they went around quoting the same things everyone else says. MY children are just fine, they have no complaints. they are happy to be able to get school over with in a few hours, and then have some time to be kids for a while, not be stuck in a room at a desk for six hours. they don't even have recess where i live anymore, for goodness sake!
why everyone has to be so worried about everyone else's decisions concerning parenting, i will never know.  =

Name: Nani • Date: 07/17/2006 10:38:43

First of all I'm a homeschooler since second grade and what you all are saying is crap becuase we are getting probably more education than a real school and you now what I have way more time for extracurricular activitties that will help me get in to any college I want. Rader than sitting at home at eight o'clock at night still doing my home work . Trust me I plan to go to an ivi league college and graduate a year early. Plus I'm already decide were I wanna go to college for about 3 years now and I'm in 9th grade. So don't criticeze something that you don't now anything about. By the way I love homeschooling....................  =

Name: shaik • Date: 08/24/2006 04:28:32

i want andra guys  =

Name: ! • Date: 08/24/2006 11:56:47

apparently this board belongs to J  =

Name: opinionist • Date: 09/12/2006 13:15:04

the problem here isn't the educational level, i'm sure everyone who has posted here and homeschools there kids is a great parent and there child is extremely smart. but that is just the upside to it, the downside is the fact that although smart, most homeschool kids are not as socialy developed as i child who attends public school. and on top of that many parents who homeschool there children aren't qualified for the task. well that's my input, peace ya'll!  =

Name: maralinn • Date: 11/08/2006 15:07:19

Thank you for that response. It is legal to homeschool, so let's get on with it. I have some questions for those who are homeschooling those pre-teens. And to coment on how tricky it is to homeschool with a baby. Although I know that when my kids have kids they will be able to care for an infant and understand safety. I also need t o ack about how to deal with T.V.?????
I also would like to know how to deal with family members who are anti-homeschool but who are in your life anyway. Do you contront, or just avoid?? I also do a lot of arts and crafts and can suggest stuff if any one out there is interested. I can also offer a constructive voice as well as someone who will listen.  =

Name: Lizzi • Date: 11/25/2006 15:11:32

My son's in public school and gets very good grades,(he's an A-B student) My view on homeschooling is that it should not be done unless the parent has proper qualifications in education to do so. Also I believe any homeschooled child should periodically be made to go in for testing to be sure they are learning what they should be for their age/grade level. Some parents' idea of homeschooling is having their kid do household chores and watching t.v. all day!  =

Name: momof3dolls • Date: 11/27/2006 11:43:00

I would love to hear more from you, I am just getting into homeschooling and I am looking for some good support. I am very glad that I made the choice to take my daughter out of public school. I am in no way against public school I have 2 other daughters one of which has graduated and the other is in middle school and doing very well, every child has individual needs and for me and my daughter that I am homeschooling now,,,,,she is doing well, this is a step in the right direction for her, drugs, bad behavior in other children towards her, peer pressure got the best of her because she was not willing to make all the "big" changes that all of her friends were making and that caused her so much pain and she was learning nothing .  =

Name: Nicola • Date: 12/04/2006 08:08:40

hey 123, mcdonalds is great, dont slag it off! I love my job there. It pays okay and they have great benefits for their employees. I'm not against homeschooling but I'm English and I will send my daughters to school when they are old enough.  =

Name: Elle1 • Date: 03/15/2007 19:28:14

This goes out to 123.

Some homeschooled kids. HAVE to leave school. for different reasons, and are still trying it get an education. It does not mean they are going ot work at mcdonalds. And does going ot normal school stop you from working at mcdonalds. in year 10, a massive percentage of kids drop out of normal schools and aspire to nothing. I am doing home schooling and i know what i want in life. I am doing my VCE years in a regular school, but up until then i am going ot work as hard as i can.

You have no right to say homeschooled kids are dumb. and will never leave home.

And you must be the sharpest tool in the shed to say they end up in prison! High school is where alot of drugs and illeagal things happen, not in your household.

seriosuly... get a life.  =

Name: missheather • Date: 03/15/2007 22:04:32

I was homeschooled and I'm fine. I visited this board a few days ago and felt it was being abused by antihomeschoolers whom I thought don't belong here. I'm 27 with a career and a husband. We are expecting our first child in October. I have never been on drugs and have friends with whom I had fun with. I have no problems holding my own in intelligent conversations and don't feel as if I missed out on anything growing up. I plan on homeschooling my own children as I saw it an important and positive part of my upbringing.  =

Name: David42293 • Date: 04/23/2007 00:23:11

hello ppl i would just like to say that homeschooling SUCKS ok just had to get that out  =

Name: lyndsie • Date: 06/03/2007 01:02:13

I can testify to one thing and that is that the public school system are failing our kids by allowing them to pass through to the next grade when they don't even understand the material they were just taught. My friends daughter has not passed since kindergarten and she is now in the fith grade. My cousin also failed all the way through high school and still he graduated. I realize not all schools are like this, there are some very awesome teachers, who are very dedicated to helping their students. Hats off to you.  =

Name: MELP • Date: 07/23/2007 22:56:44

WOW THAT WAS GOOD!!! DIRECT AND TO THE POINT! I JUST STARTED HOMESCHOOLING MY DAUGHTER AND INTEND TO TO HOMESCHOOL MY SON THIS YEAR. I CAN'T SAY THAT I'M WELL EDUCATED I HAVE A GED WITH SOME COLLEDGE UNDER MY BELT. BUT I HAVE TO SAY I KNOW I'M DOING A BETTER JOB THAN THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS BECAUSE THEY ARE A JOKE!!! THEY HAD MY DAUGHTER IN A LEARNING DISABLED CLASS WHEN SHE WAS TESTED BY THE K-12 CORRESPONDANCE TO BE WELL OVER HER GRADE LEVEL. THE MANE DIFFERENCE THAT I CAN SEE IS THAT THE PARENTS CARE. IF MY CHILD IS HAVING A PROBLEM WITH SOMETHING I CAN ADRESS IT THERE NOT PUSH ON TO SATISFY THE STATISTICS. LETS FACE IT MAJORITY RULES AND IF A CHILD FALLS BEHIND THEY STAY THERE!  =

Name: Deidra • Date: 10/23/2007 10:47:04

well i think that public schools give kids exposure to the REAL world...not that of the parents thoughts. Ive grown up going to a public high school...and i know plenty of homeschooled kids....they dont have many REAL friends and or life experiences.
yes they might learn faster and better than us...but they need to get a chance to choose for themselves. im very sorry if i have different thoughts than you. but i actually like getting to know people and getting to have relationships....and also...what parents think is ethical, is not always the answer to all of lifes problems...so i do think it is stupid to not give your kids a chance to live life.....and i can have my own thoughts.thanks  =

Name: homeschooler • Date: 12/11/2007 22:29:27

David 42293 and jeff is cool......
care to elaborate?
why does homeschooling suck?  =

Name: cjsims • Date: 12/12/2007 18:00:36

YOU GO!! FABULOUS POST J, OR WHATEVER LETTER THAT IS UP THERE. 'BOUT TIME PEOPLE GET DOWN AND DIRTY HONEST ABOUT STUFF, 'ROUND HERE. I GIVE YOU A STANDING OVATION!!!!!!!!!!!!  =

Name: cjsims • Date: 12/12/2007 18:01:27

OK, REALIZED THAT IS A J, OBVIOUSLY WASN'T LOOKIN' HARD ENOUGH.  =

Name: Katie Lyn • Date: 12/13/2007 00:38:35

I am homeschooled. I actually do cyber school. This is now my second year! I have friends and I'm not afraid to speak to anyone. I think it is important to let your kids make their own decision. I think it's a wise idea for your child to attend a public school and meet people their age and socialize. If your child is being home schooled they need to go out with friends around their age and learn what lifes about. You can't protect your kids from bullies if that's what your trying to do. They will experience them in everyday life but they need to experience that. They'll be able to handle the situation better after dealing with it. I don't think home schooling is a bad choice but honestly public schooling is a better choice. I think your child will be much happier, outgoing, and more active at that!  =

Name: Danielle • Date: 01/02/2008 12:31:55

I cyber school. And honestly, it's been a great experience. I don't have the stress of public school. And my grades have gone WAY up. I may only be 14...but I do have an opinion. And here it is, cyber schooling is great. And home schooling is too. I was home schooled the first 2 years of my school career. So if anyone has an issue with schooling from home. GET OVER IT!!! If you don't do it...then leave the people who do home school their kids alone.  =

Name: shaishai • Date: 01/04/2008 15:44:18

i need to go to fifth grade school on line  =

Name: killer1111 • Date: 02/19/2008 14:04:56

your all home school i go to school and it sucks  =

Name: Danielle • Date: 02/26/2008 13:59:39

Excuse me, but I currently attend a public school, which prides itself in a nationally ranked "tradition of excellence." Ever since elementary school, I have learned responsibilities, both academic and social, inside and out of school. These opportunities, provided by my exceptional education have successfully integrated me into a society in which I can meaningfully contribute. Although school takes up a majority of my day, I still spend quality time with my family. My parents are not the only adults who influence my life, however. Because of my public education, I have learned to work with teachers, coaches, administrators, and most importantly, my peers. These characteristics, given to me by my public education, will greatly benefit me and the world in the future.  =

Name: na4rider • Date: 04/08/2008 23:32:40

I just wanted to say that I was homeschooled from K-9 and then finished up in a private school. I love being homeschooled, but I also loved going to private school. They both did me a ton of good. I didn't have any trouble going from homeschool to private school. My other two brothers and two sisters were homeschooled K-12. One brother graduated top of his graduating class in college and is now in the top of his class in the University of Pittsburgh. my youngest sister is graduating from high school this May and is making wonderful grades. On the other hand, I know a couple of kids that are being homeschooled right now and the PARENTS aren't doing a good job at teaching their children. That I DON'T agree with. Whether or not you home school or not is all a matter of what the child's personalilty is and how you as the parents, do it.  =

Name: maria • Date: 04/17/2008 17:58:38

i nnd help  =

Name: marcy • Date: 04/18/2008 01:37:50

Shame on you. Immature and nasty comment. Nothing to back
up a ridiculous statement.  =