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Name: jillw
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So even though she is only 5mo and has no fricken clue what I am saying to her I am still trying to teach her "no" so when she does something like pull my hair I take her hands off and say "no don't pull mommy's hair" not like it matters because two seconds she is doing it all over again. I am trying to let her know that she can't put everything into her mouth, which she does. So when she is trying to eat something that she shouldn't I don't take it from her I jsut move her hands down and say "no you can't eat that" after a few times of doing that I will remove the object. It is my hope that she will get used to hearing it and will at some point put it together so that she will listen to the word no.

Anyway we were sitting at football practice last night and I was spinning a leaf infront of her. She grabbed it from me and stuck it right into her mouth. I took it away and said "no" for courst she kept on trying to stick it back it, but then after about the third time she stopped putting it in her mouth, but was jsut rubbing it on her cheek and her chin. She kept looking at me and smiling. I would say "no" when ever she got too close to her mouth. So the rubbing and grinning goes on for about 15 more seconds and then out of no where she uses both hands and shoves the leaf into her mouth super fast. I took it out and told her "NO you can't eat that" but I was cracking up, because it was like she was trying to listen (even though I know she wasn't) and then jsut couldn;t control the urge to shove it in her mouth any longer so she had to cram it in there as fast as she could before I could say no or take it. HAHAHA it makes me wonder what I will have on my hands later on LOL
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Name: Randi | Date: Aug 28th, 2007 2:41 PM
That leaf story is so cute!

Good luck with that LOL
Whenever I saw NO, all I get is a HUGE smile. It's so frusterating because he doesn't take me seriously and I am worried something will happen. 

Name: FatallyYours | Date: Aug 28th, 2007 2:48 PM
braden cries when i say no lol 

Name: Randi | Date: Aug 28th, 2007 2:53 PM
At least you have hammered the mommy fear into him though. None of that here. He just thinks I'm hilarious. 

Name: zoey9810 | Date: Aug 28th, 2007 2:55 PM
aww lol thats cute 

Name: FatallyYours | Date: Aug 28th, 2007 2:57 PM
he screams when i sneeze, boy is weird 

Name: Randi | Date: Aug 28th, 2007 2:57 PM
At least he doesn't cry when you say his name LOL 


Name: DaneseS | Date: Aug 28th, 2007 3:23 PM
lol cute story

jonathan was reading this thisng on reverse talking and they said babies from the time they are 4 months thye talk backwards...i dont knopw if its true but its freaky to me 

Name: jillw | Date: Aug 28th, 2007 4:07 PM
Coart kendra sometimes cries when I sneeze or when I burpLOL 

Name: FatallyYours | Date: Aug 28th, 2007 4:08 PM
i just posted a bulletin of bradens video best i could get 

Name: Randi | Date: Aug 28th, 2007 4:09 PM
Ewww Jill! You burp? That's sick.

This morning Kaden was in bed with me, asleep and he kind of stretched out. He let out a big fart and his eyes shot open. He looked terrified. He went right back to sleep though and I had to bury my face in my pillow and laugh. 

Name: Randi | Date: Aug 28th, 2007 4:12 PM
OMG! Did he say hi a couple times?

We have those same baby einstein blocks. 

Name: FatallyYours | Date: Aug 28th, 2007 4:13 PM
yeh he says hi alot and hey and whaaa lol its funny and when he cries it sounds like mamanooo 

Name: FatallyYours | Date: Aug 28th, 2007 4:14 PM
lol randi braden does that it sounds like a gun trange in here he pops his head straight up eyebrows raised then rolls over n goes back to sleep i ran out of the room laughing bc they smelled sooo bad 

Name: Randi | Date: Aug 28th, 2007 4:15 PM
LMAO at mamanoo hahaha poor kiddo!

The only word Kaden says is Hey.

Does Braden love his walker? They're illegal here : ( 

Name: FatallyYours | Date: Aug 28th, 2007 4:15 PM
i got the blocks on sale for 7$ lol 

Name: FatallyYours | Date: Aug 28th, 2007 4:16 PM
illegal???? wtf?? yeh he dores most the time he finally goes forward instead of backwards 

Name: Randi | Date: Aug 28th, 2007 4:19 PM
Someone bought the blocks for us. I don't think Kaden has ever played with them.

Yeah they are illegal here. Have been for a few years now. You cannot buy or sell them in Canada and you are supposed to destroy any you have. Too many kids were killed or badly injured by falling down stairs, breaking their necks when they tipped, or badly burned or electrocuted. I just actually posted a link on them a while ago so I read it. They are trying to ban them in the US as well. 

Name: FatallyYours | Date: Aug 28th, 2007 4:21 PM
we have no stairs lol 

Name: FatallyYours | Date: Aug 28th, 2007 4:22 PM
i think kids are getting more stupid bc growing up we were fine lol 

Name: Randi | Date: Aug 28th, 2007 4:24 PM
I know! We all had walkers.

Well I think I am going to have a nap with Kaden. He is finally asleep. Plus I think we have hijacked Jills post enough LOL 

Name: FatallyYours | Date: Aug 28th, 2007 4:25 PM
yeh braden just passed out too. nappy time 

Name: jillw | Date: Aug 28th, 2007 5:29 PM
damn bitches must be nice........maybe I can sleep at work LOL
I did hear about the walker thing. Jeremiah had one when he was little, but by the time he was tall enough to touch the ground enough to move it he could walk on his own. The one I had only adjusted to three heights and none of them got as low as they do now. Kendra has the kind that has off the toys, but doesn't roll around. I did have a little cousin who was in his and could move pretty fast. He ended up running into the table leg and in a freak accident it broke or the bolts came loose because it fell on top of him. He was in ICU for a while and had some head trama and broken collerbone, and ribs. He must have just made the leg bend in enough that the heavy table top was too much for it to support. It wasn't even an old table either and it was one of those cherry oak big ass dining room tables that sit like 8. He should have never been able to budge the legs at all. Plus they say that they don;t help the baby to learn to walk anyway so I am cool with kendra being stuck in one spot 

Name: Randi | Date: Aug 28th, 2007 5:46 PM
Wow Jill, that's so scary!

As for the muscles, they work all the wrong ones. Walkers delay walking and crawling. I just looked and the approximation was about 4 weeks. 

Name: Opheiliamath | Date: Aug 28th, 2007 6:16 PM
That's sooo cute what Kendra is doing! 

Name: Opheiliamath | Date: Aug 28th, 2007 6:18 PM
Randi- Can you post that link for the walkers? I've never heard they were banned.

I remember my godsister fell down some stairs in her walker WAAYYY back when.

But now we laugh about it now. In the 80s, to me anyways saftey wasn't all the hoopla it is today. 

Name: Randi | Date: Aug 28th, 2007 6:50 PM
They are only banned in Canada so far :

Baby Walkers (Banned)

Falls down stairs in baby walkers are the greatest cause of serious head injuries for children under the age of two. Babies in walkers can move quickly, run into hidden dangers, bump into furniture, pull on hanging appliance cords, and tip over. For these reasons baby walkers have been prohibited in Canada since April 7, 2004.

It is illegal to import, advertise for sale, or sell baby walkers in Canada. It is also illegal to sell baby walkers at garage sales, flea markets, or on street corners. If you have one destroy it and throw it away so it cannot be used again.

Health Canada recommends using a stationary activity centre instead. Although this is a safer alternative, it is still important to be aware of the potential dangers of this product and the steps you can take to avoid the injury of a small child.


This is about muscle use and the proposed ban by the AAP for the US

When in a walker or door bouncer, babies are suspended in a sling in a position that is neither sitting nor standing and this can cause their leg position to be asymmetrical. The use of this equipment use does not allow the baby to practice the natural development of body control that they learn by being placed on the floor. The muscles used to propel a walker are different than the muscles and co-ordination needed to walk independently. This equipment also encourages babies to walk up on their toes, often getting tight heel and leg muscles. They therefore do not strengthen the muscles groups needed for sitting, crawling and walking and this may delay these skills from developing.

There is also some evidence that shows that their use can even cause a delay in the baby’s mental development. Walkers restrict the free exploration of the environment and by limiting crawling, babies are unable to explore their surroundings, which helps mental development.

Studies have shown that parents have also used the walkers as ‘passive baby sitters’ and some infants were found to spend long periods of time sat in them.

Door bouncers also encourage bouncing on the toes and arching of the back, they are therefore not recommended for the same reasons as baby walkers.

Premature babies, because they miss out on the final stages of pregnancy when they would curl up in the mother’s womb, already have a tendency to learn to move by arching their backs and strongly pushing on stiff legs. There is a difference between the strength of the muscles that curl them up and those that stretch them out. Babies need a balance between the bending muscles and the pushing muscles to coordinate and develop movement. If infants born prematurely use walkers and door bouncers this further develops the pushing arching groups of muscles making them stiffer and can delay them learning to sit, crawl, walk and begin to use their hands to play.

Are they safe to use?
Walkers in effect turn a young baby into a toddler before the child is developmentally ready. An example of this that has been quoted is that it is rather like putting a 12-year-old child behind the wheel of a car. The child will be able to reach all the pedals but won’t have the capacity to drive appropriately or safely.

Babies are also not built for upright mobility too early. They are top heavy, their heads being bigger than their bodies, and so it is very easy for them to tip over by leaning over the side of the walker.

Tests have shown that a child can move at 4 feet in one second in a baby walker. Infants can then reach objects such as scalding hot cup of coffee before you can get there.

Baby walkers have been long recognised as a major cause of accidental injury both in the United States of America, Canada and Europe. In fact parts of Europe baby walkers have been banned since the early 1980’s.

In 1994 the US Consumer Product Safety Commission stated that baby walkers were responsible for 23,000 emergency room visits annually with 1,000 of those requiring admission to hospital. The most common injuries are head injuries from babies falling down stairs or tipping over. In 1995 more than 20,000 babies were hurt whilst using one and between 1989 and 1993 there were 11 deaths attributed to walkers. Most of these accidents happened whilst adults were watching.

In July 1997, the United States of America joined Canada in the implementation of new safety standards for baby walkers. In the USA they are now made wider so that they cannot fit through doorways and have a protective bar which can stop them tipping over the edge of a step. This reduced the accident rate but in 2001, four years later, nearly 9,000 injuries still occurred.

Canada has now banned the manufacture and use of walkers and in 2001 the American Academy of Paediatrics released a new policy statement saying there was no such thing as a safe baby walker and called for a ban on their use. They have not yet been successful in convincing their government. In California baby walkers are banned in day care, Pre- School and child care centres since 1996.

The Chartered Society of Physiotherapy wrote to the public health minister Tessa Jowell and Nigel Griffiths, the consumer affairs minister back in 1997 expressing its concern regarding the risks to babies’ development and the increased accident rate in the UK from the use of baby walkers. They called for the Government to introduce similar standards to those enforced by the United States to be enforced in this country. In 1997 there were 5000 baby walker related accidents in the UK. They also highlighted the need for more research in this area, and if evidence was found then the need to consider banning their use in the UK. Since then they have continued to lobby Government but to date no action has taken place.

What do we suggest instead?
There are many enjoyable activities that can be enjoyed with your baby. The most important thing is to offer them a wide variety of activities and positions in which to play not only to help balance their muscle development to help with movement development but to offer a wider experience to help the infants mental development.

Floor play is the most fun and enjoyable. Here your baby can practice and learn all the components of movement that will go towards learning to roll, sit, crawl, pull up to stand and cruise along the furniture. If you are worried about your baby’s safety, then using a playpen will create a great safety zone and the baby can still explore and enjoy movement.
Once your baby has learned to sit independently high chairs are another alternative for children - they can sit and play with toys on a tray in front of them and learn to be more skilful in using their hands.
It is now possible to buy stationary standing frames that have no wheels but the seats rotate round in a circle and the child can play with toys that are attached to them. These can be used for short spells if your child can already sit up without help and is placed in it standing straight with both feet flat on the floor


Sorry it's so long. 

Name: FatallyYours | Date: Aug 28th, 2007 7:19 PM
jesus 

Name: Opheiliamath | Date: Aug 28th, 2007 7:25 PM
dang 

Name: Opheiliamath | Date: Aug 28th, 2007 7:26 PM
Thanks for posting. I had no idea. 

Name: jillw | Date: Aug 28th, 2007 7:47 PM
I know odds are that nothing would happen, but I think that kids start moving too fast once they get going so I don't want to stick her on wheels LOL The good thing is that some of them have wide tops so babies can't reach stuff like they could while crawling and also the new ones here are supposed to have some sort of safety thing that stops them from going down steps. 

Name: jillw | Date: Aug 28th, 2007 7:51 PM
The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) is informing consumers of the availability of a new generation of safer baby walkers. These new walkers have features that will reduce the stair fall injuries associated with traditional baby walkers.

More children are injured with baby walkers than with any other nursery product. CPSC estimates that, in 1997, walkers were involved in 14,300 hospital emergency-room-treated injuries to children younger than 15 months. Walkers also have been involved in 34 deaths since 1973. Most children sustained injuries when their walker fell down stairs.

To make walkers safer, CPSC worked with the industry to develop a new standard. Each walker meeting the new standard and certified by the Juvenile Products Manufacturers Association (JPMA) must meet one of two requirements: 1) it must be too wide to fit through a standard doorway, or 2) it must have features, such as a gripping mechanism, to stop the walker at the edge of a step.

If consumers choose to use baby walkers, CPSC strongly recommends that they replace their old walkers with a new generation baby walker, which meets the requirements of the standard. Consumers should look for the "Meets New Safety Standard" label.

If consumers want a wheeled walker, they should buy one that has new safety features to help prevent falls down stairs. Another alternative is the stationary activity center, which does not have wheels. Whichever new product they choose, consumers should follow these safety tips when using a baby walker or an activity center:


Close the door or gate at the top of the stairs.

Keep children within view.

Keep children away from hot surfaces and containers.

Beware of dangling appliance cords.

Keep children away from toilets, swimming pools and other sources of water.


CPSC said that without the new standard, baby walker-related injuries would increase to as many as 32,000 injuries in 2002. With CPSC's intervention in getting the new standard in place, the number of baby walker-related injuries is estimated to decrease to less than 10,000 per year by 2002. 

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