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| Name: Scam Buster | Date: Sep 12th, 2006 7:13 PM |
| Sometime she claims to be a PAP, sometimes claims to be an adoptive mother. Sometimes she’s never been able to have kids, other times she’s had kids. One time said she was a twin, another time said she had twins. Currently says she is “matched” with a bmom from CA – have you noticed her post about finding her bmom on this board has disappeared? She is an emotional scammer who feeds off of conversation by creating a story that you are hooked into helping her, feeling sorry for her, or just spending time online with her. STOP “feeding” her – do not respond to any more emails, IM’s, posts, etc! Posted by: “icechick” Date: 9/12/06 - 1:09 Post Title: “a baby for adoption” Goes by name: Tammi & Andreas She says she lives in MA Email: [email protected] Posted by: “icechick” Date: 9/11/06 - 00:11 Post Title: “whiat state are all of us from…” Goes by name: Fran Says she lives in Caldwell, TX Email: [email protected] Date: 8/25/06 - 22:12 Post Title: “im afraid it will never happen” Posted by: “marilym” (this is not icechick) * Icechick responds to this post saying that she has a new website / chat at: http://birthmothers4ad option.mysite.com Posted by: “icechick” Date: 8/24/06 - 23:11 Post Title: “To Birthmoms and Adoptive Moms Please Join” Goes by name Fran Says she has a new website at: http://www.lhcw.net/ Private_Adoption Poste d by: “ashley” Post Date: 9/4/06 Post Title: “Christine is Back” “Ashley” claims that http://www.lhcw.net/Private_Adoption is her chat website. “icechick” has also been know to use the following AKA’s and email: astacy [email protected] ariela ↑ |
| Name: orangejuice | Date: Sep 12th, 2006 7:15 PM |
| i will have a look ↑ |
| Name: BOARD FRIEND | Date: Sep 12th, 2006 7:17 PM |
| Icechick in all actuality is Janet Lee Wiggins Posey and her husband is James. She is not Fran as she claims to be. Please do research on Janet and you will see what you are up against. ↑ |
| Name: orangejuice | Date: Sep 12th, 2006 7:22 PM |
| why is she doing this? ↑ |
| Name: Miranda | Date: Sep 12th, 2006 7:23 PM |
| That is not the same email she gave me ↑ |
| Name: icechick | Date: Sep 12th, 2006 7:24 PM |
| What are you talking about? ↑ |
| Name: icechick | Date: Sep 12th, 2006 7:24 PM |
| Posted by: “icechick” Date: 9/12/06 - 1:09 Post Title: “a baby for adoption” Goes by name: Tammi & Andreas She says she lives in MA Email: [email protected] I POSTED THIS FOR A FRIEND. ↑ |
| Name: Miranda | Date: Sep 12th, 2006 7:26 PM |
| orangejuice Janet is a very strange strange women that needs a lot of help. Its sad to say that she is the one that causes a lot of fighting on this board. She poses as a BM and PAP and then get mean. She lives for the angry. ↑ |
| Name: Scam Buster | Date: Sep 12th, 2006 7:30 PM |
| Thanks BOARD FRIEND! I'm glas someone else is paying attention and trying to help these families avoid scammers! ↑ |
| Name: orangejuice | Date: Sep 12th, 2006 7:30 PM |
| good thing i didnt contact her so called friend ↑ |
| Name: orangejuice | Date: Sep 12th, 2006 7:33 PM |
| i googled the name its scarey ↑ |
| Name: Scam Buster | Date: Sep 12th, 2006 7:34 PM |
| Good idea Orangejuice - sayt clear of her! Once correction: Post on 9/11/06 "what state..." was not posted by icechick, but her response stated her name etc. (I am not implying that "carolyn" is icechick). ↑ |
| Name: Scam Buster | Date: Sep 12th, 2006 7:36 PM |
| "Icechick" attemps to befriend bmoms, PAP's, surros, etc. - who knows why - but don't contact her or any of her "friends" , even if those "friends" are legit people on this board. "Icechick" is tricking people into sharing info with her - this is part of her scam. ↑ |
| Name: BOARD FRIEND | Date: Sep 12th, 2006 7:37 PM |
| It took a while this time to catch her as she was being nice and actually recommending some of the awesome families on this board -please birthmoms don't be scared off by these suggestions. Most of the families are great! I guess she learned she could get more attention by being nice to us and that she gets caught too soon when she is evil. ↑ |
| Name: orangejuice | Date: Sep 12th, 2006 7:38 PM |
| why would she want their info? she claimed to know a perfect family for me but i am the only one who knows the perfect family for my baby ↑ |
| Name: Miranda | Date: Sep 12th, 2006 7:50 PM |
| She wants their info because she can steal the ideas and make it hers. Almost like taking identities. ↑ |
| Name: 2poms4us | Date: Sep 12th, 2006 8:03 PM |
| Thanks Scam Buster- I have to tell you that I was beginning to wonder what was up with the last post on places to stay in CA- she was extremely vague and often did not make sense. The situation about signing was not correct and simple things that if you have obtained an attorney that she should already know. Plus she wants people to give their info on this site but would not reveal any of hers- all in order for that person to help her- doesn't make sense. I was really starting to worry that she was an pap that had no idea what she was getting into- adoptions that are a result of rape are very different than a regular adoption and she supposedly did not know that- doesn't make sense. Thanks for you help on cleaning up this board, Karen ↑ |
| Name: 2poms4us | Date: Sep 12th, 2006 8:08 PM |
| Hey Orangejuice, There are great families out there and you are 100% correct - you are the only person that will know the right family for you. It is very important to have something in common and to really like and respect your potential family. Especially in an open adoption- you will be together for many years to come. There seem to be a lot of great people that responded to your post- best of luck. Also you may want to look at websites that you can input exactly what you are looking for and a list of potential parents that meet your criteria will come up. Try www.adoptionhelp.org, www.adoptionopen.com also you may want to look at www.birthmombuds.com for some help from other birth mothers and their experiences. Take care, Karen http://home.nc.rr.com/karenandphil ↑ |
| Name: BOARD FRIEND | Date: Sep 12th, 2006 8:47 PM |
| If in doubt go to MSN messenger and input her email as of right now it says Janet loves James.....hmmmmm! ↑ |
| Name: Scam Buster | Date: Sep 12th, 2006 8:49 PM |
| BOARD FRIEND is correct! ↑ |
| Name: Carolyn | Date: Sep 12th, 2006 8:52 PM |
| Scam Buster, Carolyn here; in regard to "(I am not implying that "carolyn" is icechick). What does that mean ? Ladies on this forum know me PERSONALLY ! Please explain this comment ! Carolyn [email protected] 800-325-3943 ↑ |
| Name: apurrfectplace | Date: Sep 12th, 2006 8:59 PM |
| Hi, I'm the Tammi (of the Tammi and Andreas icechick referred to on oragejuice's post). I've not seen anything from icechick that shows me she is a scammer? She seems helpful. I actually wrote to her, two days ago, asking her how best to find locations where I can post hoping for a birthmom to find us, since we've been waiting so long. She gave me the info I asked (really great info, I must say). I did not want to post here when expectant moms post because they get totally inundated with pleas and posts from prospective adoptive parents. I did not want to add to an expectant mom's confusion. So icechick posted info I'd told her about me and Andreas (which is public knowledge since we are on parentprofiles.com) to orangejuice's post. I feel bad that you guys are slamming her.. I've seen only nice and supportive posts from her and truly believe that she has good motives. Please don't confuse any posts by me, apurrfectplace (Andreas and Tammi) with icechick (Fran). We are two totally separate people yet we are bound together by circumstances... she has only wanted to help other moms-in-waiting and wanted to help us, after I asked her. Tammi ↑ |
| Name: Scam Buster | Date: Sep 12th, 2006 9:02 PM |
| Carolyn - my post was to clarify that you, in now way, are connected to, or the same as "icechick" - sorry for the confusion. ↑ |
| Name: curious | Date: Sep 12th, 2006 9:03 PM |
| I noticed it stated that you should probably not contact people Icechick suggested as good adoptive families. If she does not post the names, how do you know who all she is using. If it really is a real couple that will get them overlooked, wouldn't it? I am an PAP on here and share info with others. How can you figure out who is real and not? I am to the point of not giving any info out and telling PBM to send me proof of who they are before hand, which is SAD!!!! Also, how are they getting all these pics for the webpages and going threw so many names? I am really confused!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ↑ |
| Name: Scam Buster | Date: Sep 12th, 2006 9:08 PM |
| There are legit bmoms, PAPs, etc on this board, but be careful. Check out ALL IP addresses - and most legit PAP's have a profile online - if you make a "friend" here, get a ph # and/or address. This is advice you'd use for any other internet site where personal connections are made - protect yourselves. ↑ |
| Name: BOARD FRIEND | Date: Sep 12th, 2006 9:09 PM |
| Curious, A definite way you can tell is if you can check a website that also has agency or attorney info where you could verify PAP info if you wanted. Real PAPs usually list that info for PBMs because they have nothing to hide. ↑ |
| Name: Scam Buster | Date: Sep 12th, 2006 9:15 PM |
| Tammi (of Andreas & Tammi) - I looked up your profile and Parent Profiles (MA state). You look like a wonderful couple. Do not let "icechick" assist you any further. She (AKA Janet Posey) may use parts or your indentifying info to lead other bmoms on. Sorry you have been drawn into her web. Thank you for being so upfront as to post your profile to prove you are legit. I know that PP qualifies PAP's. You may want to notify your adoption professional to be aware of "icechick" in case she attempts to notify them posing as a bmom. Best wishes on your adoption journey. ↑ |
| Name: adoptionready | Date: Sep 12th, 2006 9:24 PM |
| I can't help but read thru these posts. I was told this is the last place to find a birthmother due to all the scamming on this site. I read the last post: A definite way you can tell is if you can check a website that also has agency or attorney info where you could verify PAP info if you wanted. Real PAPs usually list that info for PBMs because they have nothing to hide. This may be true for most. I have always thought if you do not give last names, address, numbers, etccc you were pretty much in the clear of a scam or your info stolen. I am a real person and the webpage I have running are of us. I have always been honest to both PAPs' and PBMs'. On my website I do not have our attorneys info (who is doing the legal paperwork when we find and match with a birthmother). I do not have my address or phone number. I have a seperate number for collect calls as I did not set up a 1-800 number that is seperate from my actual home number. I figured that if I really find a ligit birthmother then this info would be important at that time. I hope that I would not be overlooked because I have tried or thought it was good to try to keep that part private unless we found and knew this was ligit. Example: We e-mailed with a PBM who had chosen us. From the start she wanted all this info. I was relunctant and was uneasy. I checked it ut thouroghly and after almost 1 month of talking I was about to give her our info, everything personal needed. Then found out she was talking to and Matched with several others. I backed out as I was not sure if it was a scam or she was just confused. What would that mean for us if we will not give out this info. Mind you we have talked on the phone with a couple I met on adoptionplan and we are taking our vacation there to met them and have fun. Amanda ↑ |
| Name: apurrfectplace | Date: Sep 12th, 2006 9:24 PM |
| My agency is pretty savvy with regard to prescreening so I doubt that there will be any issues. I read all that info about Janet Lee Wiggins Posey. That is terrifying... what the heck? How do you know for sure that icechick is one and the same? I did not see that username on the message boards... but now I am really scared to put myself out there on these boards. Thanks for writing those nice words about me (orangejuice, I am a real person, and I am a really nice and fun person, too!) It is really terrifying to know that there are so many people out there that have horrible motives. It destroys your faith in mankind (but then, you work with kids like I do, and your faith is restored!) I have to say that icechick doesn't seem to be a scammer she did not do anything but give me info and advice, like websites to post your profile on that doesn't cost money. Yikes, to see that scammer lady Janet Posey, now I will leave it all up to the agency and parentprofiles. We've had a few "scammers" that tried to contact the agency thru parentprofiles and they soon moved on to their next victim. Our agency is great at screening. I guess I suck at it! ↑ |
| Name: Scam Buster | Date: Sep 12th, 2006 9:26 PM |
| To all bmoms and PAP's - do not let "icechick" act as a facilitator / liaison / go-between for you and another person. You should only use adoption professionals to do so, or make the contact directly yourself. Anyone who says they are an adoption professional should be able to prove it. And facilitators are not licensed (not required to be) in most states - so buyer beware, there are good and bad ones. Only YOU can represent yourself best. ↑ |
| Name: Scam Buster | Date: Sep 12th, 2006 9:30 PM |
| A safer board to post is www.abcadoptions.com - they have moderators there who are saavy about scammers. Most adoption professionals will steer you away from forums that are unmoderated, like this one. There is a good reason for that! ↑ |
