| Name: Scam Buster | Date: Sep 12th, 2006 9:30 PM |
| A safer board to post is www.abcadoptions.com - they have moderators there who are saavy about scammers. Most adoption professionals will steer you away from forums that are unmoderated, like this one. There is a good reason for that! ↑ |
| Name: BOARD FRIEND | Date: Sep 12th, 2006 9:31 PM |
Amanda,
I understand all that and I did not mean if you did not have that info it mean you were a scam. All I meant is that if you did have it you were most likely real and if it was not there it was not as clear if the family was real or not. ↑ |
| Name: BOARD FRIEND | Date: Sep 12th, 2006 9:32 PM |
| People have been matched here though, you just have be willing to do your homework and protect yourselves. ↑ |
| Name: apurrfectplace | Date: Sep 12th, 2006 9:42 PM |
When we started using parentprofiles.com I was more afraid that we would find someone like that Dateline scammer lady, vs. someone who would pretend to be me and Andreas to lure in expectant moms. That is truly awful. And scary. You guys say people have connected here on this site... and have adopted. I have no clue how that could happen with so many scammers seemingly on here because there are no moderators and no way to track posts. For real, people have aparents and firstmoms have found each other on here? Legit? I stumbled on these boards and it just seemed like the only place where you could post your info and profile w/out being slammed as a "solicitor" which I am not, for sure! I just wanted to see if I personally could post my info and possibly have a woman who was searching to find parents for her child find me, without worrying about the fear of being a solicitor. If you've noticed -- I've posted my own info but only twice have I responded to an expectant mom's posts. One was about the twins... the other was orangejuice's post (but only because icechick posted my info first).
I truly do not want to respond to an expectant mom's posts because she gets so inundated with responses, it feels like I would be confusing her, and begging, also. I don't beg. I want a child, and love children, but not at the expense of making an expectant mom feel confusion or guilt or anything.
Tammi ↑ |
| Name: adoptionready | Date: Sep 12th, 2006 9:43 PM |
I was wanting to make sure. I have been really confused with all these things going on here and also that the scammers seem to get bad at the start of school and christmas. Alot of babys seem to be do at christmas time. I have almost decided to just try to find a BM in our state like last time. It goes much easier. Neither worked out but hey, we knew who we were and that they were PG. I look around the internet more now this past yr, but I feel we will go back to word of mouth and looking in our state and were family live.
Amanda ↑ |
| Name: apurrfectplace | Date: Sep 12th, 2006 9:59 PM |
I just went onto adoptionscams (yahoo group) and the stuff about Janet Posey is horrible. It totally freaked me out, big time. She's scamming on ebay too, posting on craigslist asking for free babystuff and resells on ebay.
I searched for icechick in conjunction w/this lady and on adoptionscams and found nothing, not on google either.
I continue to give her the benefit of the doubt.
Just to be safe, I did write down the phone number of the FBI agent who is handling Janet Posey's case in the event our identities are stolen. Yikes. Unreal. waaah.... Tammi (who will be tossing and turning tonight, I'm so blown away by how nasty people can be) ↑ |
| Name: bbaby2006 | Date: Sep 12th, 2006 10:02 PM |
So, all of this is a bit confusing to me. And I agree, this board can be a confusing and scary place, however it is a place where there are some actual and true people as well.
I appreciate people looking out for the "scams" and trying to protect the real people out here, I really do. Some advice was given that is real good. Look for websites, agency or attorney information, contact information, etc.
If we as adoptive parents are being so honest then I would really appreciate us ALL being honest. Can we know the names of everyone here? Who are you Scam Buster, and Curious, and Board Friend, and ME?
How am I not to know that one of you isn't Janet Posey? There has to be a level of trust somewhere, right?
Thanks, Tracy ↑ |
| Name: Scam Buster | Date: Sep 12th, 2006 10:09 PM |
| As BOARD FRIEND already recommended - go to MSN messenger and input "icechick"s - it says 'Janet loves James' ! Janet Posey's husband is named James. Janet and James have had their homestudy turned down 4 times - they cannot qualify to be adoptive parents. Janet is mentally ill - may even have multiple personality disorder (split personality). ↑ |
| Name: Scam Buster | Date: Sep 12th, 2006 10:09 PM |
| I meant to add icechick's email: [email protected] ↑ |
| Name: Scam Buster | Date: Sep 12th, 2006 10:13 PM |
2 good books to read to learn about the online adoption world:
Book: Adopting Online.com
(www.adoptingonline.com)
Book: The Cruelest Con
(www.thecruelestcon.com)
Author of this book has worked w/ FBI re: adopt scammers ↑ |
| Name: apurrfectplace | Date: Sep 12th, 2006 10:15 PM |
well i googled icechick's email addy and also in groups... usenet. nothing comes up I have no clue what you are talking about w/regard to msn messenger. How do you know her homestudy has been turned down 4 times, did she tell you?
I distinctly remember icechick finding out info about another scammer, Jessican Brighton, and posting the info here for all to see. A lot of other aparents were scammed by this lady and were grateful for the information icechick provided.
How can she be a scammer who is scammed? I just don't know what to think or believe.
I don't want to slam anyone or disrespect. I did email icechick (Fran) and ask her not to post anything anywhere about me and Andreas (like she did w/orangejuice's post), just because, if I want to post to an expectant mom, I will do so myself. I only responded to the twins post because the woman who posted asked if anyone on the boards had experience w/twins and were interested. Since I am a twin, I responded.
Tammi ↑ |
| Name: apurrfectplace | Date: Sep 12th, 2006 10:26 PM |
Icechick, my apologies for posting this but I just have to try and clear things up.
Posted on ABC adoptions in Aug 2006
Icechick
First Time Posting
Joined: 23 Aug 2006
Posts: 1
PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 8:04 pm Post subject: Dear Birthmom, We are seeking to adopt. Reply with quote
Hello we are Billy & Fran and we are looking to adopt. We are a Stable,Loving, Happy family. Looking to adopt a Infant. If Open or Closed adoption is something that is of interest to you, I would enjoy chatting with you.
Our email is: [email protected]
icechick's DH is named Billy. Not James?
I found this info by MSN Messenger search.
Tammi ↑ |
| Name: kylee528 | Date: Sep 12th, 2006 10:40 PM |
What is Icechick thinking about all this? I see she posted previously, but nothing since. If it was me I would want to clear my name. I'm wondering what her response is. My husband and I were recently scammed, and lost alot of money. It is so wrong to play with people's emotions like this, whether adoptive parents or birthparents.
Kim ↑ |
| Name: Miranda | Date: Sep 12th, 2006 10:50 PM |
I have emailed her since this all came out and asked her if she was a scam NOTHING yet.
And for some reason also the poohdar part in the email she is given everyone seems as I remember that one being part of someone elses before to. ↑ |
| Name: Heartstrings | Date: Sep 12th, 2006 10:54 PM |
| Just a thought....I know everyone is very upset, but maybe we should just stop this thread. If icechick is in fact a scammer we are in fact giving her what she wants - immense attention. If she is not, we are ruining a good woman's reputation. Just everyone proceed with caution. ↑ |
| Name: kylee528 | Date: Sep 12th, 2006 10:57 PM |
http://www.adoptionplan.com/forum/
index.php?act=ST&f=6&t=2793&s=fad0
0d571d986912b47062cf7f0c4481
Th
is
is where I found some of Janet's web addresses, and other names. Some of these other names have been used on this forum.
Kim ↑ |
| Name: pwdrblu | Date: Sep 12th, 2006 11:07 PM |
One problem that I have found so far is that she posted here on 9/9/06 looking for a place to stay in CA when the PBM delivers. I found this on one of the other baby crowd sites, this is the site: http://www.babycrowd.com/forums/mom_wi
th_teen/abortion_pg115199464911/
an
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this is what it says:
Name: icechick • Date: 09/02/2006 00:09:30
Hello all I am one of the many women out there, that will never know what it is to wake up at 2am and feed a baby, hear a crying baby none of them but to mu surprise I was going to be a Adoptive mom and oh HOW HAPPY we was until today, I found out she was not pregnant and she was not who she said she was she was useing some one else name and all so here was my dream gone to the dogs and a empty room and a cradle with no baby to hold. God Bless
[email protected] ? =
end message from Icechick
so, she found out on 9/2/06 that PBM wasnt legit but on 9/9/06 she is looking for a place to stay when PBM goes into labor....hmmmm ↑ |
| Name: apurrfectplace | Date: Sep 12th, 2006 11:22 PM |
I totally agree with heartstrings. We can't possibly know, due to the nature of the 'net, what the deal is. I would HATE to ruin a good woman's rep. And what if she is legit, and the expectant mom she is matched w/ backs off due to this posting. That would be terrible.
On the other hand, that lady Janet Posey should have a huge corner in hell to burn,,, sooner rather than later. She is totally taking advantage of women, families, children... what she is doing is horrible, just like that amy cumbee character that so many people on these boards came across, and that dateline profiled.
Tammi ↑ |
| Name: Scam Buster | Date: Sep 12th, 2006 11:42 PM |
| Name: Dudette | Date: Sep 12th, 2006 11:56 PM |
| Can you post the link where you actually match Janets name with Icechick...the one on MSN? I couldn't get this to come up. ↑ |
| Name: Heartstrings | Date: Sep 13th, 2006 12:02 AM |
Hi Everyone,
I just wanted to say that while I have been on and off of this board for a while I do not know anyone personally.
So if you want to know about us just as potential friends or to consider us as an adoptive family please visit our website, talk to us or our agency. Please get to know us for yourselves.
I am concerned that lately some people may have been 'vouching' for us that don't even know us. Thanks so much and good luck to all :)
Jess
www.achild2love.com
[email protected] ↑ |
| Name: orangejuice | Date: Sep 13th, 2006 12:46 AM |
| I personally wont pick a family that is refered to me or voched for on any boards ↑ |
| Name: Scam Buster | Date: Sep 13th, 2006 12:53 AM |
| Orangejuice - I recommend you contact an adoption agency or atty - they will give you free advice, resources, and will have a variety of legit adoptive families to get info on that are homestudy approved. Services are free to birthmothers. Good Luck - be careful! ↑ |
| Name: orangejuice | Date: Sep 13th, 2006 12:57 AM |
| Name: Dudette | Date: Sep 13th, 2006 1:08 AM |
| Scam Buster...Can you post the MSN link on icechick that connects her to Janet? I couldn't get that info to pull up.....The reason I ask is because I am thinking this isn't Janet...but another scammer. Thanks ↑ |
| Name: icechick | Date: Sep 13th, 2006 2:49 AM |
| Scam Buster, A great Job you did but accusing the wrong person of allegations that is not even true, first hurts some one and second makes some one look like they are a criminal. I am not a scam, I was here looking for a Birth mom and trying to help other people as to helping my self, but thank you for making me feel welcome here. ↑ |
| Name: icechick | Date: Sep 13th, 2006 2:57 AM |
Board Friend, Miranda, Orange Juice, heartstrings, and who ever I have missed.
I thank you for helping out those adoptive moms and birthmoms and yes, I agree scams should be brought to Justice but, If I recall last week, some one was mad at another Amom and was talking about them, anyway besides the point. If you truly be live in your heart that I am this person, then who am I to change your mind, I owe not one of you anything, but making some one be a monster is not right. I have tried to be every one's friend but this is where it has got me. I once again, Thank you and I have nothing to hide in any form or fashion so If you want to keep posting please do there are to people who knows the truth and that's me and Jesus. Fran ↑ |
| Name: Scam Buster | Date: Sep 13th, 2006 3:15 AM |
icechick - if you are for real, you would have provided an adoption profile URL to bmoms that are requesting it. As well all can see, from all the posts, you never follow through. Please invite anyone to see your profile - if it exists - then you will be vindicated.
NOTE: If anyone is contacted by icechick with an online adoption profile URL, check to see if there is an atty or agency connected that you can verify info on. ANYONE can create a website - but only legit PAP's will give you ways to verify info. ↑ |
| Name: orangejuice | Date: Sep 13th, 2006 3:20 AM |
| TIS IS ALL TO STRANGE FOR ME I DONT KNOW WHAT TO THINK ↑ |
| Name: icechick | Date: Sep 13th, 2006 3:32 AM |
| Thank you, show me one profile that has personal information on there, no Birthmom has contacted me and asked me for anything off here. If so then, I would provide the with it. I have not been looking for a Birthmom, I never asked orange juice to choose me, I told her of friends not me, I am a point do what you want, this is so crazy on here defending my self like I am a child, I do not think so. Thank you ↑ |
| Name: Scam Buster | Date: Sep 13th, 2006 3:33 AM |
| orange juice has not chosen you! ↑ |
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