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Hey Ladies! I have been gone several days and come back and am trying to read all these posts to find out what is going on. Can someone please help me understand all this. ↓
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| Name: Carolyn | Date: Nov 6th, 2006 7:04 PM |
Someone new named Luckey has come here, and is annoying us all, with conflicting views and incessant copying and pasting other people's quotes.
It isn't worth your time sifting through it. I for one am sick of it.
You haven't missed anything! ↑ |
| Name: momof1 | Date: Nov 6th, 2006 7:06 PM |
| Hello ultimatemom...You have missed ALLOT. This person luckey_in_life has been coming on here the last week or so and causing allot of trouble. Last night she came back and started bashing me about surrogacy. She even said that Surrogacy is a reporductive prostition (sp?). She has crossed the line. If you want to know anything else that has happened, just let me know, and I will happily tell you. ↑ |
| Name: momof1 | Date: Nov 6th, 2006 7:06 PM |
| Carolyn... I agree I'm done with everything. "Click and ignore" :) ↑ |
| Name: luckey_in_life | Date: Nov 6th, 2006 7:25 PM |
If momof1 didn't want any comments on her decision to be a surrogate she should have never posted this:
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Name: momof1 Title: Surrogate looking for the right family......
Hello... I have been thinking about becoming a surrogate for some time now. Through much though and research, I have decided this is something I would like to do. It would be a joy and HONOR for my to help someone experience the same love and joy I have for my son. My questions is... I haven't had much luck in finding the right family. Anyone have any suggestions?? ↑ |
| Name: luckey_in_life | Date: Nov 6th, 2006 7:26 PM |
And she shouldn't have posted this:
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Name: momof1 • Date: 08/31/2006 17:03:49
I know that I do not want a family to go into debt to have a child. I do not come on this site to find a family. But I have had alot of people email me. And I have found a wonderful family I'm speaking with. But they way you phrase "what are you women charging"... I find a little insulting. You make it sound that all we are doing is trying to make money. I wish I could have a child for another family and do it for nothing. But I'm not in that position. Don't get me wrong, I'm not hurting for money. But I just can't do that. I know for a fact that alot of first time surrogate mothers can charge anywhere for $18-$22 thousand just for their compensation.
And then there are extras...for example:
1. travel expenses
2. maternity clothes
3. money for the implantation of the embryo (for a GS), and for insemenation (for a TS)
4. extra for carrying multiples
5. extra for a c-section
6. house cleaning (for later on in pregancy)
7. insurance (only if the surrogate insurance will not cover it)
plus there can be other expenses.
I'm asking for a between $15-$18 thousand. ↑ |
| Name: luckey_in_life | Date: Nov 6th, 2006 7:34 PM |
I do not think it is morally right to treat a woman's womb as a commodity to house the fetus, which can be rented for a few months for a amount of money. I don't think women should be used as human incubators. The relation between the surrogate and the child is commercial rather than emotional.
I think it is morally wrong for a woman to offer herself for a fee, procreate and then sell the child? ↑ |
| Name: luckey_in_life | Date: Nov 6th, 2006 7:37 PM |
I think a commercial surrogate can be compared to a brood bitch. Commercial surrogacy is like dog breeding. Breeding pure breeds for their desirability while thousands of dogs remain in the humane society waiting for adoption.
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brood bitch
n : a bitch used for breeding ↑ |
| Name: momof1 | Date: Nov 6th, 2006 7:37 PM |
| I was answering someone's questions (I was referring to the average surrogacy cost, not just mind in particular) about surrogacy. IT's funny how you only cut and paste bits and pieces, not everything that was said. You only read what you want to. ↑ |
| Name: momof1 | Date: Nov 6th, 2006 7:39 PM |
| EVERYONE understands your views, why do you keep going on about this. And why would you say something that is so hurtful. There are ways of saying things, but doing it in a respectful way. And I do belive you are personally bashing me. It's one thing for you to talk about surrogacy in general, but you keep bringing my name into everything. Why is that?? ↑ |
| Name: luckey_in_life | Date: Nov 6th, 2006 7:40 PM |
| I copied your complete post. ↑ |
| Name: momof1 | Date: Nov 6th, 2006 7:42 PM |
| And why is that... This was a discussion on surrogacy, and someone was asking me about the fees that are involoved. What I posted is what the average surrogate receives. I have seen some surrogates asking for $25,000 and up plus extras. ↑ |
| Name: luckey_in_life | Date: Nov 6th, 2006 7:43 PM |
| Why would you go on an adoption forum and just happen to bring up the fact that you are a surrogate. Good place to look for customers? ↑ |
| Name: momof1 | Date: Nov 6th, 2006 7:46 PM |
| did you even read the post that you copied and posted... i said that I did not come on here looking for a family. But you know what, I did meet a family that I came very close to working with, it just didn't work out. I found the couple I'm working with on another website. ↑ |
| Name: luckey_in_life | Date: Nov 6th, 2006 7:47 PM |
| Good momof1. I hope renting out your womb goes smoothly! ↑ |
| Name: luckey_in_life | Date: Nov 6th, 2006 7:48 PM |
| It would be different if no compensation was involved, excluding medical costs. I do not agree with a woman's reproductive organs being used as a business. ↑ |
| Name: momof1 | Date: Nov 6th, 2006 7:49 PM |
| You know what, you can call it what you want. I just can't wait that a precious little baby is born, and the family I'm working with because parents. That is the greatest joy. and the only think that matters. ↑ |
| Name: luckey_in_life | Date: Nov 6th, 2006 7:50 PM |
| Commercialized surrogacy is big business. Why do you think that is? ↑ |
| Name: momof1 | Date: Nov 6th, 2006 7:53 PM |
| I couldn't pay (and I say this with my own expenses) to help another couple have a baby. I don't alot of people that could. Could you do it. You know something I find intresting, you have been going on and on about the compensation, and how it's a job. You know there are woman out there that have been a surrogate for mutilple familes, and they do make a "living" by doing that. THAT IS SOMETHING I DON'T AGREE WITH AND I FIND THAT UNETHICAL. I will only be doing this once. And with the compensation I recive....most of it will be going into my son's college fund. what's wrong with that? ↑ |
| Name: luckey_in_life | Date: Nov 6th, 2006 7:55 PM |
| I believe commercial surrogacy is baby selling. Regardless of your motives. ↑ |
| Name: momof1 | Date: Nov 6th, 2006 7:56 PM |
| whatever,...like I stated earlier, let's agree to disagree. And leave it that. ↑ |
| Name: luckey_in_life | Date: Nov 6th, 2006 7:58 PM |
| Whether you like it or not. I speak up when such an important moral issue is taken so lightly. Especially when a child is involved. ↑ |
| Name: momof1 | Date: Nov 6th, 2006 8:00 PM |
| I think you don't get it "TO YOU IT'S IMMORAL"....that is your opinion. Not everyone in the world agrees with you. Ask all the families that have had a child via surrogacy, do you think what they did to have a child is immoral?? ↑ |
| Name: luckey_in_life | Date: Nov 6th, 2006 8:04 PM |
| Commercialized surrogacy is illegal in some states and some countries. Why choose it over adoption? ↑ |
| Name: luckey_in_life | Date: Nov 6th, 2006 8:06 PM |
As one user put it:
"Having a child is not for the parents to see a likeness of themelves..it is to affect positive change in someone else's life....blood related or not. Children are not a commodity but a precious gift to be treasured and loved." ↑ |
| Name: luckey_in_life | Date: Nov 6th, 2006 8:10 PM |
Ultimatemom,
I hope all of this filled you in. ↑ |
| Name: luckey_in_life | Date: Nov 6th, 2006 8:22 PM |
Looks like someone else agrees"
*****Name: jillw • Date: 11/06/2006 15:20:23
I agree with alot of what lucky has to say. I am not sure that it has been gone about the right way, but the adoprion forum can be a sad place sometimes. Either some crazy person goes on there and lies about a baby they want to give up and then all types of people respond with hopes of getting a baby and I am sure that many of them are good people who really want a child, but then I see some girls looking for advise and that are bombarded by people hoping to daopt. I agree with the fact that anyone who is thinking about adoption should seek a professional and not someone who has their motives. I also agree that the 15-18 thousand for a baby make me a little sick to my stomach. I am pregnant and It is not costing me that much at all! I think that is using your uterus to make a living period no mater who you say you are "helping" I think that true surrogacy is the most wonderful gift you could give someone and I do not expect that the woman should have to pay for medical visits or implanting, but come on house cleaning and extra for method of delivery you have got to be kidding me! That is not doing a loving selfless act it is gettin paid because someone else needs you and nothing more and it is sad to me that loving people who are unable to reproduce are sometimes forced to deal with this to have the baby that they have always wanted. One more thing and then I am done mom or 1 you said "I know I don't want a family to go into debt........." are you fricken kidding me do you have an extra 15-18 grand laying around with out going into debt! ↑ |
| Name: momof1 | Date: Nov 6th, 2006 8:33 PM |
| luckey... why can't you write your own post. So what some else agrees with you. But do you see the difference in how they stated everything. I may not agree, but I respect this persons opinion. YOURS I DO NOT!!! ↑ |
| Name: luckey_in_life | Date: Nov 6th, 2006 8:38 PM |
momof1,
I really don't respect your opinion, so I really don't care if you respect mine. I guess we agree on something! ↑ |
| Name: momof1 | Date: Nov 6th, 2006 8:41 PM |
| wow... we actually agree on something...imagine that. I could negative and hurtful things about you, but I'm adult and a lady, and I will not stoop to your level. Are you going to let this one go? Obvioulsy this is a topic noone is going to "win" ↑ |
| Name: Carolyn | Date: Nov 6th, 2006 8:43 PM |
Jill W:
Luckey constantly advocates for using an agency for everything, including the match, and that generally costs $30,000 or more.
So if momof1 is charging $15,000 to $18,000, that certainly is alot less than an adoption agency will charge. ↑ |
| Name: luckey_in_life | Date: Nov 6th, 2006 8:45 PM |
| I was letting it die but you posted over in the other forum and then ultimatemom asked a question. If I didn't want to let it go I would use your tactic and post this whole debate over in the due date forum! That would be playing by your rules! ↑ |
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